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post #1 of 14
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Hey everyone. I'm thinking about upgrading my headphones or mp3 player but I'm not too sure how to go about it exactly. I'm currently using a rockboxed sansa clip+ with sennheiser HD25. Now there's nothing wrong with the sound, but I would like to experience something new. Do I just need an amp? or would an amp be useless for my HD25? would I need to upgrade both my headphones and my sansa clip+ and get an portable amp on top of that? I currently use them mostly on the bus/train so please keep that in mind.I'm also from Australia so It's likely that I will be buying online.

 

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated, and sorry if I'm posting in the wrong forum 

 

Budget: $500 - $600

Looking for: Headphones or Amp or a new mp3 player. \

Source: rockboxed sansa clip + with Sennheiser HD25

Preferred Music: Mostly ambience with some rock on the side. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr9PVXo31hs

Location: Australia.

 

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Edited by Toddich - 1/2/14 at 7:39am
post #2 of 14

I would say to get the FiiO X3 or iBasso DX50.

post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 

Those were the two players that I was looking at but I had a hard time deciding what to get. Do I go with the reliable x3 and put up with the awful UI or should I go with the one with the better UI, the DX50, which is known to have many bugs that MIGHT be fixed some time in the future. I'm leaning towards the DX50 but I'm not too sure about Ibassos track record with previous products and when it comes down to fixing bugs and updating firmware. Do you have either one? or both?


Edited by Toddich - 1/2/14 at 8:15pm
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by Toddich View Post
 

Those were the two players that I was looking at but I had a hard time deciding what to get. Do I go with the reliable x3 and put up with the awful UI or should I go with the one with the better UI, the DX50, which is known to have many bugs that MIGHT be fixed some time in the future. I'm leaning towards the DX50 but I'm not too sure about IBassos track record with previous products and when it comes down to fixing bugs and updating firmware. Do you have either one? or both?

I do not own either one, but they seem to be about the best for in the $200 price range.

You might try asking about DAPs on the website anythingbutipod.

post #5 of 14
I think you will have much more opportunity to change the sound by getting different headphones than with a different DAP. YMMV...

I wouldn't get the DX50:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyZ5cvwhblg


Arly is a very experienced head-fier (AKA DigitalFreak)
post #6 of 14
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Hey Billybob, it was actually Arly's previous rant about high end mp3 players that actually turned me off from getting the DX50. But that was a few months ago so I was kind of hoping that all the kinks would be ironed out by now. Apparently not.

 

And this is why I'm finding it such a hard time trying to figure out how I can upgrade what I listen to within the $500-$600 price range. It's hard to find a MP3 player that has a good UI, battery life, sound, at a decent price. There always seems to be something major holding these MP3 players back

 

And then when I try to look for an upgrade from the HD 25, I'm told that the HD25 is the best headphones you can get without going well over budget. Then I think about getting an amp but is an amp really needed when you're using the HD25? or would it just be wasted on these headphones?

 

As you can see, I'm stuck at a point where I really don't know what I need to do to upgrade.

 

What headphones would you recommend for someone that uses the bus/train? 

post #7 of 14
I'm not sure I would agree that the HD25 is the best closed headphone under $600. The HD25 is a good headphone, but I think there are plenty of other choices. Just staying in the Sennheiser line, I think the Momentum is a similar, but better, more refined sounding 'phone. The Mr. Speakers Mad Dogs & Alpha Dogs are both good choices. I haven't heard the Alpha Dog, but the Mad Dogs are excellent - very smooth and detailed throughout the frequency range. Tyll liked the NAD Visio HP50, or if you want something much more V-shaped, the V-Moda Crossfade M-100.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame-full-size-sealed

You could have any of those (except the Alpha Dogs) and a good portable amp (~$200) for well under $600, and you could also use the amp with your current HD25.

Or, you could try any of the many very good IEMs you can get for under $500.

I guess what I'm saying is that the Sansa is already a good DAP, and if you are bored and looking for a different sound, replacing the DAP will certainly change the user experience, but probably not make a large difference in the sound.
post #8 of 14

I wouldn't take anything better than the HD25 around with me. For portable use you're not going to notice better sound (only 'different' sound).

You could try a different player, but I don't get the appeal of really expensive portable setups, just asking for trouble IMO.

post #9 of 14
That's another advantage of the Mad Dogs over Beats - the Mad Dogs are too ugly to get stolen... tongue.gif
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by kraken2109 View Post
 

I wouldn't take anything better than the HD25 around with me. For portable use you're not going to notice better sound (only 'different' sound).

You could try a different player, but I don't get the appeal of really expensive portable setups, just asking for trouble IMO.

I tend to work on small building sites where the team and myself are the only ones on site. So it's very unlikely that things will get stolen. I'm not really after a HiFiman or a A&K MP3 player.To me, they look overpriced for what they are. That's why I was tossing up between a X3 and a DX50. Still great sound, but at a discounted price. The Sansa clip was just something I bought until I could finally settle on an mp3 player that I thought was a good purchase. If the DX50 didn't have so many bugs, I would have bought that all ready. 

 

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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

I'm not sure I would agree that the HD25 is the best closed headphone under $600. The HD25 is a good headphone, but I think there are plenty of other choices. Just staying in the Sennheiser line, I think the Momentum is a similar, but better, more refined sounding 'phone. The Mr. Speakers Mad Dogs & Alpha Dogs are both good choices. I haven't heard the Alpha Dog, but the Mad Dogs are excellent - very smooth and detailed throughout the frequency range. Tyll liked the NAD Visio HP50, or if you want something much more V-shaped, the V-Moda Crossfade M-100.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame-full-size-sealed

You could have any of those (except the Alpha Dogs) and a good portable amp (~$200) for well under $600, and you could also use the amp with your current HD25.

Or, you could try any of the many very good IEMs you can get for under $500.

 

Sorry, I should have worded myself better. Apparently the HD25 are good bang for buck headphones ( I got mine for $180, found out after that I could have grabbed them for $160) and if you were to upgrade from them, you'd need to invest a good amount before you get a decent upgrade. Now I'm pretty sure I read this before the mad dogs were even out, I could be wrong though. But still, the mad dog headphones look much too bulky for on the move. I do plan on buying these for home use though, eventually. 

 

I have been looking at the over ear momentums but reviews seem to be a bit mixed. Some think you can get better value for money with other headphones and whatnot.

 

I have never heard of these NAD Visio HP50 headphones, but, after reading a few things about them, I'm starting to lean towards them. Definitely look like something worth putting money into. I will have to look into it a bit further though. 

 

Would a portable amp be pointless with something that has such a low ohm reading?. Is that even the right term?? 


Edited by Toddich - 1/3/14 at 8:34am
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Toddich View Post

Hey Billybob, it was actually Arly's previous rant about high end mp3 players that actually turned me off from getting the DX50. But that was a few months ago so I was kind of hoping that all the kinks would be ironed out by now. Apparently not.

And this is why I'm finding it such a hard time trying to figure out how I can upgrade what I listen to within the $500-$600 price range. It's hard to find a MP3 player that has a good UI, battery life, sound, at a decent price. There always seems to be something major holding these MP3 players back

And then when I try to look for an upgrade from the HD 25, I'm told that the HD25 is the best headphones you can get without going well over budget. Then I think about getting an amp but is an amp really needed when you're using the HD25? or would it just be wasted on these headphones?

As you can see, I'm stuck at a point where I really don't know what I need to do to upgrade.

What headphones would you recommend for someone that uses the bus/train? 

Just to update, my problems have not been solved although the last FW update, 1.2.6, has caused my player to freeze/lock up a lot less. I can now go through most of the day without having to reboot the player. The scanning issues are still a problem and now gapless has been removed. I haven't checked the DX50 impressions thread in awhile and when I do I usually just look for posts concerning any new FW updates and leave. The last time I checked there seemed to be a split of opinion involving the DX50. Some users were completely happy and had not experienced any problems while others, like me, had nothing but problems. It's your decision, sonically, the DX50 sounds better, IMO, then an iPod Classic or Touch. Whether you get a crappy player or a functional player seems to be a crap shoot. Whatever you do DON'T invest in the new DX90 that's slated to be launched in the near future. Judging by past history concerning the DX100 and DX50 it's probably best to wait a few months and avoid the bugs and constant FW updates thats bound to happen upon release. In short, don't be anyone's beta tester.
Edited by DigitalFreak - 1/3/14 at 11:16am
post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 

I'm pretty sure there's a newer update out now. 1.2.7, and apparently it has fixed a lot of bugs but it's still not quite there. Yeah I've decided to hold off on buying the DX50, at least until it's actually all sorted out. I'm really hoping that they do fix these bugs up though because it does look like an awesome mp3 player. I hadn't even heard of the DX90 til now. I'll definitely look into it once reviews have come out for it.

post #13 of 14

Yeah, well, I'm fast losing hope right now. I'll look into it more closely in a few days. Thanks for the info my friend.

post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 

I ended up buying the Viso HP50s for $350 (Australia is pretty overpriced) and I'm incredibly happy with them. At first I was a bit underwhelmed though. I knew they sounded better than my HD25s but for some reason, I just enjoyed my HD25s more. After a while though things changed. I'm now in love with the sound and I never want to take these cans off. It's absolutely great fun checking out past favourite songs and listening to the different sound these headphones produce.


Thanks everyone for the help, and thanks Billybob_jcv for the recommendation. I truly appreciate it 

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