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hahaha I haven't heard the last two. I've heard the Momentums & I think they will do great w/ classical. Note I do not personally really listen to classical though.

 

I imagine any pair of well balanced (non-bass boosted/non-excessively colored) pair of headphones will be great for classical lolol. edit: i guess I would personally pick the k550 to be especially amazing for classical due to its great sound stage & crisp clear treble & well-balanced sound signature.

 

obviously open headphones would be better, but since you want portable use, then you have to go closed. Out of the closed options I've personally tried, I would say go K550 (not really very portable though... need to look at the other varients K551/K454) or Momentum Over-Ear. The B&W P7 is overpriced in my personal opinion. i've heard great things about both the nad visio hp50 & keef m5000. perhaps it's time to go demo a few different pairs to see. there really is only so much you can get out of reading other people's personal subjective impressions online. the best way to tell what suits you is to try some stuff :) good luck yo.


Mmm, thanks. Yea, need to find a meet somewhere to try all this.

post #17 of 35
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I have been looking for some headphones for mobile use. I am looking to pair them with some DAP with reasonable power (probably X3 or X5 when it comes out), so I would like them to be able to benefit from the extra power from the DAP, but not require so much power that the DAP is insufficient. I mostly listen to classical, so soundstage, detail and bass (quality over quantity) are most important. From reading around, here is a list that I am considering:

 

MDR-1R
HD 25-1 II

DT1350
SRH840
SRH940
K 545
K 550
Soundmagic HP100
Mad Dog

 

I have not heard any of these. Your inputs are greatly appreciated!

 

What kind of classical?   There is a huge difference between chamber or baroque music vs Renaissance music vs Romantic-era symphonies.

 

For good-across-various-genres, the Momentums are a very good and safe bet.  I  have to admit, I am not super-wild about them, as I find them a little on the polite side, but they don't have any glaring weaknesses.   I  have a pair of Momentums and DT1350s, and I prefer the Momentums.

 

Moving on to specialists:

 

- If you like chamber/baroque/small ensembles, the AKG x701 is going to be hard to beat.   It does mids and highs really, really well but is a little bass-shy.   

 

- For orchestral works, consider the Fidelio X1.   It has a slightly V-shaped response, and I admit that its slightly-recessed mids do a less than perfect job with classical instruments compared to something like the LCD2s, but these 'cans have absolutely superb dynamic range and transient response, and if you like orchestral music, these do an absolutely amazing job of reproducing what it is like in the middle-center seats in a concert hall when a full-sized orchestra is going at it in full glory.    

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@vkalia, those are great suggestions, but OP is looking for mobile usage, so I don't think that the open, non-portable AKG q701/k701/k702 or the Phillips X1 would work for that situation.

post #19 of 35
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What kind of classical?   There is a huge difference between chamber or baroque music vs Renaissance music vs Romantic-era symphonies.

 

For good-across-various-genres, the Momentums are a very good and safe bet.  I  have to admit, I am not super-wild about them, as I find them a little on the polite side, but they don't have any glaring weaknesses.   I  have a pair of Momentums and DT1350s, and I prefer the Momentums.

 

Moving on to specialists:

 

- If you like chamber/baroque/small ensembles, the AKG x701 is going to be hard to beat.   It does mids and highs really, really well but is a little bass-shy.   

 

- For orchestral works, consider the Fidelio X1.   It has a slightly V-shaped response, and I admit that its slightly-recessed mids do a less than perfect job with classical instruments compared to something like the LCD2s, but these 'cans have absolutely superb dynamic range and transient response, and if you like orchestral music, these do an absolutely amazing job of reproducing what it is like in the middle-center seats in a concert hall when a full-sized orchestra is going at it in full glory.    


Thanks for the suggestions. But like @money4me247 said, I'm looking for closed for mobile use. As far as kind of classical, I would say mostly Romantic-modern symphonic works and maybe some small string ensemble stuff. How does the Momentum do as far as soundstage is concerned? How do they compared to other closed headphones that others claimed to have decent soundstage (like K550, A900X...)?

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Thanks for the suggestions. But like @money4me247 said, I'm looking for closed for mobile use. As far as kind of classical, I would say mostly Romantic-modern symphonic works and maybe some small string ensemble stuff. How does the Momentum do as far as soundstage is concerned? How do they compared to other closed headphones that others claimed to have decent soundstage (like K550, A900X...)?

 

Whoops.   Money4me247 and csxcsx - you are correct, I missed the "mobile use" bit.   The AKGs and the X1s are indeed out.

 

Re soundstage - to be honest, I am not really in a position to comment.    After long, long years of experiencing soundstage put out by properly-positioned speakers in a room set up around the audio system, I find headphone soundstage to be virtually a joke, with the sound around and behind my ears.     So I've pretty much given up on trying to analyze that.   I'll let someone else answer that.

 

I'd say the A900X and Momentums are your best options for closed cans.   I do have the A900Xs as well, and they are nice.   They dont overwhelm me.    Neither do the Momentums.   But they dont do anything poorly either.    I am not sure if that is just my tastes or if that is pretty much what one can expect in that price range.     

 

(FWIW, I am giving away the A900X and keeping the Momentum, b/c of the smaller size of the latter).

post #22 of 35
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Whoops.   Money4me247 and csxcsx - you are correct, I missed the "mobile use" bit.   The AKGs and the X1s are indeed out.

 

Re soundstage - to be honest, I am not really in a position to comment.    After long, long years of experiencing soundstage put out by properly-positioned speakers in a room set up around the audio system, I find headphone soundstage to be virtually a joke, with the sound around and behind my ears.     So I've pretty much given up on trying to analyze that.   I'll let someone else answer that.

 

I'd say the A900X and Momentums are your best options for closed cans.   I do have the A900Xs as well, and they are nice.   They dont overwhelm me.    Neither do the Momentums.   But they dont do anything poorly either.    I am not sure if that is just my tastes or if that is pretty much what one can expect in that price range.     

 

(FWIW, I am giving away the A900X and keeping the Momentum, b/c of the smaller size of the latter).


I see. Though the A900X are a bit more affordable. Would the A900X benefit more from a meatier DAP than the momentums? Need to try more. More suggestions are welcome!

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I posted short summaries of Momentum, SRH840, DT660, and KNS8400 here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/696666/closed-headphones-for-classical-music#post_10097062.

 

SRH940 is quite resolving (second most after KNS8400) and has slightly above average comfort. I don't recommend it because it's brighter than even DT660 and it doesn't feel durable.

post #25 of 35
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I posted short summaries of Momentum, SRH840, DT660, and KNS8400 here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/696666/closed-headphones-for-classical-music#post_10097062.

 

SRH940 is quite resolving (second most after KNS8400) and has slightly above average comfort. I don't recommend it because it's brighter than even DT660 and it doesn't feel durable.


Thank you that was quite informative! Do you know anything about a few of the others ones I listed (A900X, HP100)? Also what do you think of the Mad Dog as a portable (assuming you drive it with something like the X3)? Or the T50RP even?

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I really like Fostex, more than any other planars. Stock T50RP is very loose and laid back. I happen to like it, but you'll want to mod it to your taste. Modding is both easy to do and hard to do well. I use my T50RP as an all-rounder and to watch movies on-line. But I prefer dynamic drivers for classical.

 

I find MrSpeakers to be on the dark side of neutral, which I don't prefer for classical. I've read good reviews of ZMF Fostex v1 Classic, and I like his business model more than MrSpeakers. Toward the end of the ZMF thread are a couple of posts about how the compare with the standard open popular models for classical.

 

I haven't heard the ATs or the Soundmagic. The older version of the open AT (AD900) is reputed to have a good large soundstage and perform orchestral music extremely well, so maybe consider AD900x instead of A900x. I have some concerns about the fit of ATs because they tend to make their earcups shallower than the Austro-German firms; and some members don't like the "3D" wing system.


Edited by Claritas - 1/2/14 at 12:20pm
post #27 of 35
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I really like Fostex, more than any other planars. Stock T50RP is very loose and laid back. I happen to like it, but you'll want to mod it to your taste. Modding is both easy to do and hard to do well. I use my T50RP as an all-rounder and to watch movies on-line. But I prefer dynamic drivers for classical.

 

I find MrSpeakers to be on the dark side of neutral, which I don't prefer for classical. I've read good reviews of ZMF Fostex v1 Classic, and I like his business model more than MrSpeakers. Toward the end of the ZMF thread are a couple of posts about how the compare with the standard open popular models for classical.

 

I haven't heard the ATs or the Soundmagic. The older version of the open AT (AD900) is reputed to have a good large soundstage and perform orchestral music extremely well, so maybe consider AD900x instead of A900x. I have some concerns about the fit of ATs because they tend to make their earcups shallower than the Austro-German firms; and some members don't like the "3D" wing system.


Hmm, maybe I will give modding T50RP a shot. Is this the thread for ZMF you are talking about (http://www.head-fi.org/t/667870/review-zmf-modified-fostex-t50rp-superb)?

 

I'm looking for closed cans for portable use, that's why I'm looking at the A900X.

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Hmm, maybe I will give modding T50RP a shot. Is this the thread for ZMF you are talking about (http://www.head-fi.org/t/667870/review-zmf-modified-fostex-t50rp-superb)?

 

I'm looking for closed cans for portable use, that's why I'm looking at the A900X.

 

Yes, that's the thread. If you're interested in self-modding, one of the threads to look at is http://www.head-fi.org/t/618659/fostex-t50rp-incremental-mods-and-measurements. It looks a little intimidating, but it really requires patience more than anything else.

 

I would still be concerned about fit issues with the ATs. If there's a dedicated thread for them, ask if your ears will touch the dust covers, if you think that would bother you.

post #29 of 35
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Yes, that's the thread. If you're interested in self-modding, one of the threads to look at is http://www.head-fi.org/t/618659/fostex-t50rp-incremental-mods-and-measurements. It looks a little intimidating, but it really requires patience more than anything else.

 

I would still be concerned about fit issues with the ATs. If there's a dedicated thread for them, ask if your ears will touch the dust covers, if you think that would bother you.


O geez, that is a lotta information :eek:. I will start sifting through...

 

Hmm, I see. That ZMF thread sells it pretty well. Damn, now I have several headphones for consideration from all the reading and this thread, but I have no means of auditioning any of them :(

post #30 of 35
I wouldn't recommend buying stock Fostex as your main model with the intention of modding later because you'll probably want something you can enjoy immediately. So if you decide to try Fostex, consider ZMF v1.

Besides that, it all really comes down to a matter of taste considering how generally good all those models are. If I were buying myself a closed model for mostly classical, I would buy SRH840 with the full intention of modding the headband. To some extent, that reflects my preference for piano and organ over orchestral as I think some of the others make orchestral music sound better.
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