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post #931 of 4986
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

That would be true under most circumstances, but not in this echo chamber of a hobby. Allow me to dust off my crystal ball and describe what will take place over the next few months...if the AK240 is not clearly above the competition (and I believe MUST, given that it costs double the price of its competitors).

 

1) Someone who doesn't care will buy an AK240. Likewise, others will receive a sample AK240.

 

2) Said individuals will defend their new purchase, despite how they feel about its performance. Likewise, the selected reviewers will want to talk about the product in a way that ensures they get more in the future.

 

3) People who read these glowing reviews will be convinced to buy these DAPs. Most will, again, try to defend their purchase. Only a few will speak out, but those few will be silenced. I've seen this happen before several times. I remember a certain IEM that had a wonky sounding midrange to a lot of folks. But one member shouted from the top of a rooftop that these iems had no such issue at all. Later, he confided to me via PM that he was using fabric filters to get the IEM to sound normal. This is what the consumer is up against.

 

4) A&K's strategy will have worked, leading to the sale of units for them, but also the impetus to continue with price increases.

 

5) More DAP makers will see this and want in on the action. I predict more $2k+ DAPs within the next 6-12 months.

All this is perfectly possible, but it's not the only possibility...

 

The DX-100 came out as a highly priced and much discussed DAP. Lots of people invested serious money (not to mention long waiting times) in it, I was one. Some of us loved it some f us didn't, but I reckon many of us said exactly what we thought, good or both. Anyone who now wants to buy one should have a pretty good idea of what they'll get because of the generosity of many (sometimes former) owners sharing their views as best they can...

 

Personally I would bet a lot of money on either your scenario or mine, but I'm going to keep reading...

post #932 of 4986
Couldn't be any more correct than eke2k6. Boggles my mind on some of the stuff people pay good money for.
post #933 of 4986

I for one support the dap makers to raise the price to a ridiculous level, the higher the better , because I don't need them. :)

 

I am really enjoying my music as we speak with what I have. I also enjoy dragging/dropping 240GB's of music to my rockboxed 256GB CF card. Man that feeling is awesome.  Wait, I also enjoy lifting those pins off board completely bypassing the internals for a clean LO.

 

Now please tell me what options I have with these overpriced toys if I want a 256GB CF card for storage. :wink_face:

 

Go AK240, AK480, AK960 ...

post #934 of 4986
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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post
 

I for one support the dap makers to raise the price to a ridiculous level, the higher the better , because I don't need them. :)

 

I am really enjoying my music as we speak with what I have. I also enjoy dragging/dropping 240GB's of music to my rockboxed 256GB CF card. Man that feeling is awesome.  Wait, I also enjoy lifting those pins off board completely bypassing the internals for a clean LO.

 

Now please tell me what options I have with these overpriced toys if I want a 256GB CF card for storage. :wink_face:

 

Go AK240, AK480, AK960 ...

I prefer CF cards for my cameras, as they are faster and I have always found them to be reliable. But, is there a CF to mico slot adapter? How do you rockbox a CF card?

post #935 of 4986
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

I prefer CF cards for my cameras, as they are faster and I have always found them to be reliable. But, is there a CF to mico slot adapter? How do you rockbox a CF card?

 

Yes CF card has more bandwidth (pins) than the micro therefore faster and more power efficient. Not only that, during my DIY experiment, it came to me as a surprise that the micro cards don't sound on par with the CF cards - clearly to my ears. Now you know all these hi-end daps are all using the lowly micros (to save cost for more profit, as CF's cost more).

 

The mighty 256GB CF card was installed to a diymod and then rockboxed. It works like charm. With SDXC card, yes you will need a SD-CF adapter.

post #936 of 4986
Well I buy the AK240 if it is better then the AK120. even if it is $3000+.. My Lumin DAC cost $9000..so it's a bargin if it's anything close to it.
post #937 of 4986
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Originally Posted by eso6686 View Post

Well I buy the AK240 if it is better then the AK120. even if it is $3000+.. My Lumin DAC cost $9000..so it's a bargin if it's anything close to it.

I agree with you. As you probably know the 120 has been compared in the press to more expensive home DAC's and holds its own well especially considering its portable so it will be interesting to see what the 240 does.
post #938 of 4986
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Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post


I agree with you. As you probably know the 120 has been compared in the press to more expensive home DAC's and holds its own well especially considering its portable so it will be interesting to see what the 240 does.

 

Agreed.

post #939 of 4986
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Originally Posted by eso6686 View Post

Well I buy the AK240 if it is better then the AK120. even if it is $3000+.. My Lumin DAC cost $9000..so it's a bargin if it's anything close to it.

 

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Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post


I agree with you. As you probably know the 120 has been compared in the press to more expensive home DAC's and holds its own well especially considering its portable so it will be interesting to see what the 240 does.

 

Sorry guys, it is going to be tough for a portable DAC to beat out well designed home DACs at the same price point here.  It is simply a real estate question here.  There just not enough room to properly implement a good output stage as well as using the top level electronics in a tiny space.

 

I once compared the lineout of my DX100 to that of my W4S DAC-2 and was very disappointed by the DX100.  Yes, it still produce good sound but the W4S was just significantly better.

post #940 of 4986
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Originally Posted by eso6686 View Post

Well I buy the AK240 if it is better then the AK120. even if it is $3000+.. My Lumin DAC cost $9000..so it's a bargin if it's anything close to it.

We do not share the same definition of "bargain" :D
But that's totally fine. All power to you.

post #941 of 4986
$2500 will buy you a fully balanced DAC and a top of the line DAP with change to spare. I just put money on the Geek Pulse DAC/AMP, fully balanced 3W per channel, Femto clock, Dual Mono and a linear power supply for 1k.
The Matrix Sabre is also a great choice in this range.
The AK100 was great sounding to me and reasonable only after the price drop to $550 but it won't be matching a dedicated DAC anytime soon.
post #942 of 4986

^.........although it will fit in yur pocket....:wink: 

post #943 of 4986

I still say it, get FiiO X5 to use as a transport, get Chord Hugo and get a totl headphone/iem cable for your preference. You can get all those things with only one AK240 money. You might also save some cash too.

post #944 of 4986
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post
 

I still say it, get FiiO X5 to use as a transport, get Chord Hugo and get a totl headphone/iem cable for your preference. You can get all those things with only one AK240 money. You might also save some cash too.

That is the last thing this hobby is about.
I would it do like you are suggesting there. Well except for the X5...more interested in the DX90 ;)

post #945 of 4986
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post

^.........although it will fit in yur pocket....wink.gif  

That's the compromise between portability and sound quality. Even my best portable setup for over 3k in amp, dac, headphones and source doesn't match the magic of my desktop setup of my HE6. If the AK240 could combine all the above with a monstrous amp, it could be justified a lot more.
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