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post #571 of 8541
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Originally Posted by VisceriousZERO View Post

Sooo many judgmental people. C'mon guys, listen before you hate!
I understand your point there is a bit too much hate, including from me. I have no clue how good this will sound, certainly good. I was disapointed with the AK120 but it was more a matter of sound sig.

However let me say this, I think iRiver is really taking us, not us headfiers, us potential clients, for gullible morons. I am willing to accept that to a certain extent...I just bought 1.5k$ ciems and 600$ cables. But they are taking this too far...double the price of the AK120 ? 2400$ for AN MP3 PLAYER (or FLAC player if you must). I think its indecent and almost insulting...iRiver just thinks we will be just swallow anything. Honestly, I cannot swear that I will never buy it...but still...it is pure theft to me.
post #572 of 8541

I hate to fuel this but $600 cables and $1500 IEMs cost a lot less to bring to production, manufacture and market through retail outlets relative to their selling price than this dap. This is why value is in the eye of the beholder and slams like this are poor form. Personally, I'm happy to have more choices and can choose to buy or not. If this sort of thing keeps up, especially on products no one has yet experienced, don't be surprised if a new forum rule will come about.

 These posts are more than personal opinion when a company gets called indecent, thieves and their clients, morons. 


Edited by goodvibes - 1/9/14 at 9:16am
post #573 of 8541
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Originally Posted by VisceriousZERO View Post
 


Doesn't mean you have to judge so harshly already guys... give it a demo :) or wait for impressions.


So are you offering to organize a AK240 tour then? :veryevil:

 

Nothing wrong with criticizing the pricing or the looks if one doesn't like it.


Edited by razorblader - 1/9/14 at 9:20am
post #574 of 8541

Seeking clarification....

 

If this is all the I/O's, does this mean the only HO is 2.5mm Balanced? Where's the 3.5mm Stereo HO?

 

post #575 of 8541
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

I hate to fuel this but $600 cables and $1500 IEMs cost a lot less to bring to production, manufacture and market through retail outlets relative to their selling price than this dap. This is why value is in the eye of the beholder and slams like this are poor form. Personally, I'm happy to have more choices and can choose to buy or not. If this sort of thing keeps up, especially on products no one has yet experienced, Don't be surprised if a new forum rule will come about.
 These posts are more than personal opinion when a company gets called indecent, thieves and their clients, morons. 
I am entitled to this opinion...I never called anyone a moron and you understood perfectly well so do not twist my meaning. I said iRiver takes us for morons. And I am certainly not alone in thinking so. I said the price of this DAP is indecent, and that does not sound too extreme. But I will never judge anyone buying it and might even get one on a crazy day. Do not feel personally offended when someone attacks AK because you love the AK120...

Please keep you advice on form and threats of mod intervention to yourself, I was just stating a personal opinion...self apointed moderators annoy me to no end.

And if all you have to bring to the debate is that value is in the eye of the beholder well we are not going far with that.

Finally, if you hate to fuel something, do not twist people's words and patronize them. Thank you in advance for your consideration.

I will say no more on the matter of price or AK pricing policy, because I do not wish for this to get out of hand either.
Edited by Mimouille - 1/9/14 at 9:34am
post #576 of 8541
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post
 

Guys, there is an balance adapter to get line out?

 

Source:

http://www.phileweb.com/news/d-av/image.php?id=34362&row=9

 

http://www.phileweb.com/news/d-av/image.php?id=34362&row=0

 

 

 

What the heck is that!?

 

You can't convert a headphone out (with digital volume control in line with it) to a true line out.  True line out has to come before volume control and before headphone

output stage.  That is bizarre, unless I am missing something?

post #577 of 8541
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post


I understand your point there is a bit too much hate, including from me. I have no clue how good this will sound, certainly good. I was disapointed with the AK120 but it was more a matter of sound sig.

However let me say this, I think iRiver is really taking us, not us headfiers, us potential clients, for gullible morons. I am willing to accept that to a certain extent...I just bought 1.5k$ ciems and 600$ cables. But they are taking this too far...double the price of the AK120 ? 2400$ for AN MP3 PLAYER (or FLAC player if you must). I think its indecent and almost insulting...iRiver just thinks we will be just swallow anything. Honestly, I cannot swear that I will never buy it...but still...it is pure theft to me.

Hi Michael

if you hear for long time , i prefer the SQ from Ak 100, imo is more balance than AK 120

AK 120 more forward

if the price 2400 USD than is the most expensive DAPon the planet

post #578 of 8541
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Originally Posted by rudi0504 View Post

Hi Michael
if you hear for long time , i prefer the SQ from Ak 100, imo is more balance than AK 120
AK 120 more forward
if the price 2400 USD than is the most expensive DAPon the planet
Yep...though AK100 sounded a bit thin. Well anyways Rudi, we can buy it together and share wink.gif
post #579 of 8541
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Originally Posted by Vinnie R. View Post
 

 

What the heck is that!?

 

You can't convert a headphone out (with digital volume control in line with it) to a true line out.  True line out has to come before volume control and before headphone

output stage.  That is bizarre, unless I am missing something?


This gives us a clue:

 

Seems to be no true line-out.

post #580 of 8541
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Originally Posted by razorblader View Post
 


This gives us a clue:

 

Seems to be no true line-out.

 

 

It probably does the same thing as setting the volume to MAX and locking it.  So it's just max headphone output to feed an amp, with a software display calling it line out.  :p

post #581 of 8541
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Originally Posted by Vinnie R. View Post
 

 

 

It probably does the same thing as setting the volume to MAX and locking it.  So it's just max headphone output to feed an amp, with a software display calling it line out.  :p

 

And do we really need an adapter for that? We can just max the volume ourselves.

post #582 of 8541
Best policy is to wait for products to be overtaken. This is mature market. Obsolescence/Depreciation is fast.
I paid my AK100 550 USD new. I will pay my AK240 1500 USD new in a year from now.

Edited by quantx - 1/9/14 at 11:05am
post #583 of 8541
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Originally Posted by quantx View Post
 

true +1

post #584 of 8541
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Originally Posted by quantx View Post
 


But there will be AK480 which will cost 4800 USD, how can you live with the inferior one?

 

:rolleyes:

post #585 of 8541
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

I hate to fuel this but $600 cables and $1500 IEMs cost a lot less to bring to production, manufacture and market through retail outlets relative to their selling price than this dap. This is why value is in the eye of the beholder and slams like this are poor form. Personally, I'm happy to have more choices and can choose to buy or not. If this sort of thing keeps up, especially on products no one has yet experienced, don't be surprised if a new forum rule will come about.
 These posts are more than personal opinion when a company gets called indecent, thieves and their clients, morons. 

Agree completely, I have no issue with the price, my only concern is if the sound quality is so much better for the outlay,if so then I guess I will sell some gear to get one.

I really take issue with price complaints. Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I am more than happy to pay for something that brings me peace and happiness, that is priceless. My AK120/FAD PF's represent to me some of the best value I have ever spent on HIFi as they bring me so much joy in listening to them.
It is very simple for people who do not want to pay this price, don't buy it! Last time I looked AK are not twisting people's arms to!
Those who think this a rip of and the rest of us suckers, well your entitled to your opinions.

The the other thing is that the best service I have had so far in portable HIFi has come from AK, when I have phoned them I have spoken to a human being who has been able to immediately help me. For me the player works faultlessly, it's UI works fine for me.
Looking now at the Chord I really don't think it fair to compare it with the 240, they are very different in the way one can use them and one has to figure in a transport into the cost equation as well. I love Chord products but for me thinking about it it is not a viable option.
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