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post #496 of 8541
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Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post


Why would you want multiple DAP's that makes no sense.

 

after viewing your profile I'm now ironically challenged to ask why you have a couple of DAP's?... out of interest.

post #497 of 8541
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Originally Posted by tinara View Post

Maybe because Final Audio Design are (over)high priced uiem?

In your opinion, have you ever heard them? I own two pairs and the musical involvement and enjoyment they give me make them to me, veritable bargains!

The trouble is there are so many Headfi wunderkinds that the so-called cognoscenti rave about here that frankly I would not give houseroom as they are all about extremes, the FAD's are not about extremes they are about musicality.
When one leaves the iBasso and JH arena's of what people think music reproduction is about and go into what it should be about which is not bangs and whistles but more about listening to music and absorbing it then so far I have yet to hear anything that comes close to what the AK120 and FAD products do, but then what do I know, I have only been involved in the music recording business for thirty years.

Then again, those same people who diss anything that dares to cost more than iBasso, Fiio's or some miracle IEM that costs $150 and sounds better than something costing ten times as much will tell you MP3 sounds as good as lossless and 24 bit music is nonsense!
post #498 of 8541
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Originally Posted by OK-Guy View Post

after viewing your profile I'm now ironically challenged to ask why you have a couple of DAP's?... out of interest.

Ahh, my bad, I don't have the 801 anymore, just not updated my list! biggrin.gif
post #499 of 8541
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Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post


Why would you want multiple DAP's that makes no sense.

 

That's a fair & legitimate question.

 

One might enjoy the variety of different sound signatures, or variations in degree of portability - i.e. a DX100 is a great one-box solution to use at work (if allowed), but it's a bit big to carry in your pocket, so something smaller (e.g. X5) would be better suited to pocket use.

 

Truth be told, I didn't really mean to imply that owning multiple DAPs is something to aim for, but merely that it illustrates how poor value these enormous-profit-margin AK240s are.

 

The AK240 may not actually turn out to be $2400, but considering the AK120 is already around $1300, I don't expect the AK240 will be much less than $2K, even in the best-case scenario. iRiver have shown themselves to be substantially too greedy, ever since they doubled the price of the AK100 when they updated it to AK120 dual-DAC status.

 

 

There is quite a lot of negativity in this thread (and I hold my hands up and freely admit that I am part of that), but this is mostly due to iRivers excessive profiteering. It is disrespectful to view the DAP-buying public as little more than cash-cows, so it is only nautral that a proportion of the DAP-buying public raise their voices in objection. I would even venture to suggest that iRiver are insulting their competitors, by evidently believing that if they simply spend enough on flash marketing, they have the right to charge a far fatter profit margin than their competitors charge.

 

It's absolutely absurd that (if the $2400 pricetag proves to be correct), as Mimouille pointed out, one could purchase "a Calyx M, Fiio X5, a DX90 and even maybe a Fiio X7"

 

Many people here on Head-fi respect the forum rules but are appalled at iRiver's attitude towards DAP-buyers, so I am not surprised that so many have been unusually vocal in voicing their objections, and quite rightly so! :popcorn: 

post #500 of 8541

To me the AK240 is, amongst other things, a trial balloon (albeit an edgy one...) to see how far they can push the cash-cow milking process. In effect they are testing peoples gullibility/make believe abilities.

 

It's perfectly ok to believe that iRiver's offerings are worth their asking price but it's equally ok to call these fake wannabe high-end faux-Scandinavian-name purse-snatchers greedy money whores. IMHO.


Edited by razorblader - 1/8/14 at 10:31am
post #501 of 8541
Those are good points Mython, thank you for taking time to explain. I must admit I was thinking about this player last night.

The more I look at it the more I actually do not want it. I actually think they have gone in the wrong direction.
For me, and perhaps it's just me, at this price point what matters most is sound quality. Now, as long as it operates well which I feel my 120 does, it's not buggy for me compared to my old 801 then what matters more in substantial improvements in sound quality.

Looking at this player and admittedly not hearing it I would say a large amount of the extra cash has gone into things that do not effect sound quality and which I feel are completely useless, wifi, bigger screen, more memory, some weird and let's not mince words fugly design.

When it's this end of the spectrum if one takes high end home HIFi as an example what one pays for is SQ, not gadgets!

95% of the time as it is now as I type my screen is off! I rarely look at album art! I have no desire to download music on the fly! I am not ADD, I don't need immediate gratification of music downloaded right away. It being so easy to transfer music on the 120 the memory I have ( 64+2x32g ) is so much that I have never filled my player to the brim.

No, my feeling with this player is most of the money has go on stuff that has nothing to do with sound quality. I am sure there are the usual shills who will get hold of this and say it's the second coming but I wait to hear with my own ears, my gut tells me the increase in SQ (if there is any) will not equate to the cost.
post #502 of 8541
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Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post


In your opinion, have you ever heard them? I own two pairs and the musical involvement and enjoyment they give me make them to me, veritable bargains!

The trouble is there are so many Headfi wunderkinds that the so-called cognoscenti rave about here that frankly I would not give houseroom as they are all about extremes, the FAD's are not about extremes they are about musicality.
When one leaves the iBasso and JH arena's of what people think music reproduction is about and go into what it should be about which is not bangs and whistles but more about listening to music and absorbing it then so far I have yet to hear anything that comes close to what the AK120 and FAD products do, but then what do I know, I have only been involved in the music recording business for thirty years.

Then again, those same people who diss anything that dares to cost more than iBasso, Fiio's or some miracle IEM that costs $150 and sounds better than something costing ten times as much will tell you MP3 sounds as good as lossless and 24 bit music is nonsense!

 

I think the general gist was that FAD products have been re-branded by A&K with a price hike... hence the ironic bit.

 

I own the ZX1 and in that particular thread there are many selling on their AK120's in favour of the Sony. I also thought my Z1070 was better than the AK120 with Red-Book lossless when I had the chance compare the both, I also think the Z1070 makes a better fist of things with 60/70's soul/rock music than the ZX1 (the ZX1 is too clinical)... all my comparisons & thoughts are based on using 5.0 IEM's which probably are better suited to another DAP & not the ZX1 (they were bought for the Z1070)... you can knock other people's choices, we all do at some point but what you do for a living has nothing to do with enjoying your tunes it just means you have a bit more insight.

 

My ears are my ears and I want to be immersed in my music when listening to it, I want all the detail but with feeling and I certainly don't need to hear the mouse squeezing out a fart in the corner of the Miles Davis studio recording... I have this belief that audiophiles hate music, the AK240 kinda reinforces that belief.

post #503 of 8541

Although we are discussing an inanimate object, here, we are also discussing a marketing approach that aims to maximise profit-margins way higher than justified by their product engineering.

 

Even if I approved of such a marketing approach (which I emphatically don't, as it is utterly disingenuous), I would still be cautious that such an approach cannot last, in the longterm.

 

They are pouring all this money and effort into building a business model that has no more inherent stability than a house of cards, and I find it strange that they are being so short-sighted in their approach.

 

iRiver would do well to look in the dictionary for the word 'backlash'

post #504 of 8541

You know what this reminds me of? The shure 846 saga. The funny thing is that I came down on Shure with more righteous anger than Mython has right now. How dare a large company like shure charge $1k for a mass produced quad ba iem??!

 

I cited how apple builds groundbreaking phones for under $200 in parts and labor, yet doesn't charge as much markup as shure was planning to do on a few pieces of plastic, aluminum, and copper. Mim commented on how the AK120, the soon ex flagship, was mediocre for the price, and I made the same argument about how the se535 is outdone by $150 iems.

 

I whined and moaned and screamed until my internet throat was hoarse. Six months later, the 846 still costs $1k, and our galliant arguments have long been buried.

 

This is audiophilia. This is head-fi.

post #505 of 8541
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

You know what this reminds me of? The shure 846 saga. The funny thing is that I came down on Shure with more righteous anger than Mython has right now. How dare a large company like shure charge $1k for a mass produced quad ba iem??!

 

 

Mython is an enigma on the one hand he justifiably slates the cost of the AK240 and in the next breath he is making excuses for a CIEM manufacturer' who's build quality and disintegrating nuts is of concern to customers forking out $1600/1800+ for their product... he's very insightful for the most apart from the latter (let them clear up the mess of their own making mate).

 

imho anyone forking out serious money for equipment should expect the highest standards of build, sound and quality... if they fall short they should be royally slated by the customers and no condescending excuses allowed.


Edited by OK-Guy - 1/8/14 at 11:29am
post #506 of 8541

does the ak240 have physical buttons for play and rewind?

post #507 of 8541
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Originally Posted by OK-Guy View Post
 

 

Mython is an enigma on the one hand he justifiably slates the cost of the AK240 and in the next breath he is making excuses for a CIEM manufacturer' who's build quality and disintegrating nuts is of concern to customers forking out $1600/1800+ for their product... he's very insightful for the most apart from the latter (let them clear up the mess of their own making mate).

 

LOL - without wishing to derail this thread with CIEM talk, I should explain that my 'excuses', as you put it, are actually motivated from a different angle to what you're perceiving. I'm wasn't 'defending' dodgy build quality, in that thread; I was responding to some extremely impatient people (not strangelove or visceriouszero) who were implying that the world was going to end if everything wasn't perfect and immediate in the world of Roxy). My intentions were purely to help slow down that runaway juggernaut, a bit, so as to retain a bit of perspective - that product is individually hand-crafted, oversubscribed, and there will, undoubtedly, be teething problems, but I'm sure they'll get sorted. If JHA don't sort those issues, then sure, I agree - they'll absolutely deserve a good hiding, but that remains to be seen.

 

That particular thread seems to be populated by some extraordinarily impatient (almost 'spoiled', dare I say it) people, judging by some of the posts there.  But I do take your point, all the same :wink:       To give Sony their due, the ZX1 seems to have had a relatively painless birth/delivery, and I'm glad you've had no nightmares with that purchase.

 

 

 



Edited by Mython - 1/8/14 at 12:11pm
post #508 of 8541
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Originally Posted by streetcar View Post
 

does the ak240 have physical buttons for play and rewind?

 

Yes.

 

 


Edited by Mython - 1/8/14 at 11:47am
post #509 of 8541
As much as i love iriver and support I have for AK ( bought and tried all their current line up) i will not support the AK240 no matter how good it might sound.

i do not appreciate the direction they are following. Instead of producing products in price point of their first DAP which has been the tradition with all the other dap makers they are instead produce trial product with much higher price points without any clear reasoning.

it is clear that ak240 target audience cannot be head fi, it is those people who like to have exclusive things just for the sack of it.
post #510 of 8541
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Originally Posted by Sauntere View Post

So is anyone remotely interested in buying it ? What if it sounds stellar ?

I am.
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