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post #346 of 8541
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Originally Posted by Vinnie R. View Post

I definitely prefer the WM8741 to a CS4398 - I can't think of any reason why they went with CS4398 except to get better battery life, and lower cost.  CS4398 is less power hungry and cheaper, but I'll take WM8741 any day of the week!  Or an AKM4396 dac....

They could have also done native DSD with the WM8741, and could of ran the WM8741 in software mode to allow the user to change the digital filters via the screen menus (e.g. Linear phase filter, minimal phase filter).  That would have been so sweet.  



 



For the $2400 asking price (that is what I read on DAR's Facebook page), I would have loved to also see:



 



-- The enclosure more useful in terms of fitting a bigger battery to get better play time



-- More onboard storage (256GB is good, but 2 x 256GB on board would make me drool!)



-- Fitting an analog volume control instead of a digital one like they've been doing.   



-- A design focused on sound that could beat out many DAP + headphone amp combos and drive almost any headphone out there (with low, med, and high gain settings).  



-- The AK100/AK120 screen size is fine.  Save the space for a kick ass headphone stage!  




Hopefully it sounds excellent and better than any other DAP since it will top them all on price.   I wish them all the best with it as they have been pushing the envelope with DAPs and I'm sure it has been a lot of hard work in doing so, and frustrating and rewarding at the same time. I'm looking forward to listening to one, but I won't be at CES unfortunately.

Vinnie

I'm with you on this Vinnie. I have yet to hear a Cirrus DAC that I like the sound of. Wolfson to my ears always seems more musical where as the Cirrus HiFi, a bit too bright for my tastes. However, its how its implemented that matters most.
As for native DSD, well, I am preferring my non DSD files in my AK120 and they take up less room, its nice to have the capability to play them back but my ears have yet to experience the Ah Ha moment with DSD as they have with 24/192.

As to looks, heck, if it is a substantial improvement over the AK120 ( and to my ears that is going to take some doing) then I could not care less about the looks, likewise the memory. What I have now with 2 32G cards is more than enough as it is so easy to transfer albums.

I have not read through the whole thread yet as to what price it will be if we know yet but my bet is 2K.
post #347 of 8541
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post
 


Think I'd be more worried about the surface I'd dropped the dap onto never mind the dap itself.  Is that price of $2400 confirmed then?  Lord only (Straight £$ swop) knows what the uk price would be.

 

no, price is not set yet.

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post #348 of 8541
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Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post


I have not read through the whole thread yet as to what price it will be if we know yet but my bet is 2K.

2.4k.

post #349 of 8541
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post

 

Looks like 'Stealth' technology has finally made it to DAP design...it's about time...:rolleyes:

 

That explains the big jump of the price. After this version, next one will be a drone type dap. Forget about portable dap. You don't need to carry it any more. All you need is a remote control.

post #350 of 8541
The price is just crazy.

Will it sound better than a desk-top rig at the same price level? I doubt that.

Will it sound better than iPod Classic + Hifi M8? Maybe, but most definitely not 3 times better considering the law of diminishing return.

Will it be truly portable? Considering the size, it is too bulky for my pockets.

And maybe after 6-8 months, we will see AK 480 at $4,800, with a cheaper chip inside, doubling the internal memory storage, twice the size, and looks more ugly.

Sorry for my rant. But I am sick of the pricing strategy adopted by AK. It is just so explicitly greedy.
post #351 of 8541
OK, have caught up now with the thread. For me the cost is still fine if all the technology delivers a substantial improvement in sound quality. I think the only thing that would tip me over the edge is if the sound quality improvement is at least 50% better in terms of musical involvement, not technically as in more "HiFi"

As it is it has to do something extraordinary over my 120 in that department as all the rest of it I can live without, storage, big screen WiFi, being able to download direct, non of that matters to me.

At this point in cost it is the sound and sound alone that should matter the most. I went through the massive memory thing with my classic and it was more of a pain than benefit having to go through countless albums to get to what I wanted. DSD as I said in my previous post is ok but I have yet to be convinced it is massively better than 24 bit music ( and this is listening on home systems with DSD capability and comparing to 24 bit) if at all. In fact in all honesty I have found 24bit to sound more musical than DSD from what I have heard thus far.

One little thing but that has turned out to be a big thing for practical purposes is the case. I never take mine out and love that it came with it. I would like to see a case provided with this one as well.

Also, another thing is that this player will have to play FLAC rips of CD's substantially better as a large amount of my music is that format and so far the AK120 is astonishing in how it plays back that format and makes it so musical. I would say 60% of my listening is to FLAC rips and very impressed I have been with how the 120 handles them, better than most home CD players I have heard this side of Wadia or DCS.
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And now how do we calculate that 50% improvement?
post #353 of 8541
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

And now how do we calculate that 50% improvement?

With my own ears, thats the only thing I trust when it comes to musical involvement!
At this level personally I feel this is what spending the big bucks is about and is often lost on most people. We are squeezing out the last ounce of musicality from the performance.

All the detail is there technically way further down the price range, its how one forgets one is listening to a recording but more listening to the artist that matters most when we start to venture down this rabbit hole and the only way I have found to find that out in a product is to listen to it!

It does not matter what anyone else thinks, it helps but in the end what your getting at this level is more subjective I feel and needs to be experienced personally to see if it moves you enough to plunk down the cash! In fact what this is doing is making me think of having Vinnies mod done an re-purchase an SR71-B as it is still going to be less bulky than the AK240 looking at pictures.
Edited by ianmedium - 1/7/14 at 12:58pm
post #354 of 8541

Hi Bertrand,

 

>> Also, do you have an idea of what they mean by "Output: Balanced Out (2,5mm. only 4-pole supported) " ? Is it a real line-out like in your RWAK120-b ?  can it also provide SE (NON balanced) line out for SE Headphone Amplifiers ?  What is a 2,5mm-4pole ?
 
 
This means that it is a 2.5mm, 4 contact plug and you CANNOT use a standard 2.5mm, 3 conductor plug (SE) with that jack.  Doing so would short out the balanced signal if it is true balanced.  
 
But I think they also have a standard 2.5mm SE jack as well.
 
There are no line outputs - only headphone outputs.
 
Finally - I think they mean to say 3.5mm (not 2.5mm).  3.5mm is equivalent to the 1/8" diameter plugs (TRRS).
post #355 of 8541
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Originally Posted by Vinnie R. View Post
 

... I think they mean to say 3.5mm (not 2.5mm).  3.5mm is equivalent to the 1/8" diameter plugs (TRRS).

 

Maybe, but there is a "2.5mm-4 pole" as I'm sure you know. It could be iRivers way of being (irritatingly) different.

 

post #356 of 8541
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post
 

 

Maybe, but there is a "2.5mm-4 pole" as I'm sure you know. It could be iRivers way of being (irritatingly) different.

 

 

I'm hoping that's not the case, but you might be right.  We need industry standards!!!

post #357 of 8541
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Originally Posted by Vinnie R. View Post
 

We need industry standards!!!

 

I hereby nominate YOU as the 'Grand-Popa of Standards'. Seriously.

post #358 of 8541
Problem is what if it is their way of setting new standard ? They still claim 22 impedance out was really not a big deal and they released a new model same as ak100 only with "fixed" impedance issue and they still had the guts to charge more for it.
post #359 of 8541

Want to hear more about this android OS thats on it.... that screen has to do something, if it can download from "sites" then perhaps it can surf the net?

post #360 of 8541

Had assumed they'd release all the info on their site but they're obviously doing well for marketing and letting people fill in the gaps .lol.

 

Smart move.

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