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post #316 of 8567
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Originally Posted by gerard14ph View Post

Have you seen this during the Mook? I remember you said something about a prototype DAP that iRiver brought during the event? If yes then have you heard it?
That wasn't me. I was not at Nook but I did read someone else's post about the prototype being brought there.

I was merely responding specifically about the DAC comparison of which I had a really old Marantz DV9500 SACD that had the CS4398 DAC in it & subsequently upgraded to the Oppo BDP-105 which has the ES9018 DAC.
post #317 of 8567
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

That wasn't me. I was not at Nook but I did read someone else's post about the prototype being brought there.

I was merely responding specifically about the DAC comparison of which I had a really old Marantz DV9500 SACD that had the CS4398 DAC in it & subsequently upgraded to the Oppo BDP-105 which has the ES9018 DAC.
Oh I thought it was you. Sorry about that. You mentioned a mellow sound from your old marantz with the cirrus chip. How does it compare to the Sabre of the Oppo?
post #318 of 8567
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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post

Thank you~..
Not mellow sound again...we already have ak120. ;)
Bear in mind it could all still be implementation - kinda hard to compare a SACD version of a component that uses the same DAC as a DAP.
post #319 of 8567
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

Per unit price relates a lot to # of units sold and this sort of pricing is typical for relatively low production boutique products built to a high standard of quality and user friendliness. The complaining about price is really getting old. We all know it's expensive. Simple enough to just not buy or participate if it doesn't suit you.

 

By the way, if it cost $600 in parts to make, they go under selling it for $2k via normal channels. It doesn't cost $600 to make but there's a lot of tooling, overhead, marketing and R&D to amortize and bring up actual costs. Not knowing how strong a market will be for top tier product tends to bring up pricing. The value equation is different for everyone. 

i am not saying it cost exactly the $600(could be more or less) and i agree with you that this is not a mass production product so the profit as a whole have to come though those limited selling units. but all i am saying is they are not just trying to sell ak240 @ sky touching price. more importantly they are trying to set the new standards of profit/unit by doing so.(ak240 is just a start to build the base of that new profit standard platform).and if we keep following it by justifying the wrong though/fact that it is reasonably priced,soon its gonna be the new normal for the ak and the others:mad:..

post #320 of 8567

I'll be getting one. I'll report on how it sounds as soon as I actually get one, then you can tell yourself if $2.4k is worth it :)

post #321 of 8567

It's a real shame that the personal audio industry is starting to mirror the traditional HIFI Industry.

15 years ago or less £400 would buy you a really good pair of speakers, now those would be £2k

 

We are entering "the law of diminishing returns" zone, spend twice as much to get 5% improvement.

 

Shame

post #322 of 8567
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Originally Posted by KT66 View Post
 

It's a real shame that the personal audio industry is starting to mirror the traditional HIFI Industry.

15 years ago or less £400 would buy you a really good pair of speakers, now those would be £2k

 

We are entering "the law of diminishing returns" zone, spend twice as much to get 5% improvement.

 

Shame

 

We can't really say 5% improvement unless we hear it right? Also on that note, there will always be people who can actually purchase these things at "horrendous" prices, and those who will think its worth it. I'm happy that AK continues to create new stuff and it'd be good for them to drop the price sometime but that's really all up to them. in the meantime we have more "budget" options like the x5 (and x7), the DX90, and the ZX1.

post #323 of 8567
It's just maybe fair for AK to price it as such since the materials are new and topnotch. Anyone of you heard of Duralumin? I always remember when Pagani used Carbotanium in the Zonda and Huayra. Even a second hand zonda can reach upwards GBP1M.
post #324 of 8567
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Originally Posted by bond007 View Post
 

i am not saying it cost exactly the $600(could be more or less) and i agree with you that this is not a mass production product so the profit as a whole have to come though those limited selling units. but all i am saying is they are not just trying to sell ak240 @ sky touching price. more importantly they are trying to set the new standards of profit/unit by doing so.(ak240 is just a start to build the base of that new profit standard platform).and if we keep following it by justifying the wrong though/fact that it is reasonably priced,soon its gonna be the new normal for the ak and the others:mad:..


Well... while it isn't a mass produced product lets not forget that this isn't Astell & Kern.... its iRiver, a company that already produces and sells products made for the mass market, it would be very different if it were a boutique styled manufacturer or start-up as many manufacturers are on Head-Fi. IRiver have the resources, the production units, the labor and for them the materials will not be hard to source at a reasonable price. For it to truely justify its cost they would need to provide a full run-down of its internals, its amp would have to stand on par with anything RSA and others put out, the software, the screen resolution down to the wiring and chassis would/should be top notch. Right now its the most expensive DAP on the market so to even consider stacking it with another amp should be a waste of time/more money but as its stands... the amp will no doubt fail to stand up to other dedicated devices, the screen is just a screen, hardly silver wiring running throughout it etc etc... as it is with the consumer market looks and cost imply quality and value but that's not always the case and I doubt it will be the case here... if I were to buy it and I can't say I'm not tempted, it would be because it somewhat appeals to me as an art piece that may well hold value in years to come.... I wouldn't expect it to outmatch what Vinnie makes and an RSA can boost but that's me.


Edited by Goldlion973 - 1/7/14 at 8:34am
post #325 of 8567
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Originally Posted by VisceriousZERO View Post
 

I'll be getting one. I'll report on how it sounds as soon as I actually get one, then you can tell yourself if $2.4k is worth it :)


I wish i was earning as much as you do my friend, i also would like to "try" anything out there:o

post #326 of 8567

"I see dead people"...I see poor Photoshop work+imagination: AK120 side and bottom views with wacky Cubism to connect, cut and paste menu 'buttons', etc., etc. = ignore.

post #327 of 8567
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post
 

"I see dead people"...I see poor Photoshop work+imagination: AK120 side and bottom views with wacky Cubism to connect, cut and paste menu 'buttons', etc., etc. = ignore.

 

No - there are REAL pics of it from CES.  I already saw some on Audio360.org and Positive Feedback facebook pages.

 

One thing I didn't realize is how thick it seems to be!  I wonder if there will be a protective leather case for it.  I'd hate to drop $2400 on the concrete. :blink: 


Edited by Vinnie R. - 1/7/14 at 10:06am
post #328 of 8567
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Originally Posted by Vinnie R. View Post
 

 

One thing I didn't realize is how thick it seems to be!  I wonder if there will be a protective leather case for it.  I'd hate to drop $2400 on the concrete. :blink:

 

 

 I'd hate to drop $2400 on the DAP.

 

 

The layers and layers of pretentiousness of this 'Astell & Kern' circus get ever-deeper.

 

In my imagination, I have visions of a team conversation akin to the following:

 

 

OK, what's our main priority in the DAP market, generally, and specifically for the new model?

 

Well, increasing already-outrageous profit margins would be nice...

 

Hmmm... yes, good point, let's go with that!

 

 

 

What's our current latest model No. ?   - AK120

 

OK, for the next model, shall we call it the AK140?    No, let's double the number, so people will think it's twice as good. OK, so we'll call it the AK240.

 

 

OK, now...pricing... How much are we charging for the AK120?  Well, we just added a zero to the model number, to create the dollar pricetag, making it around $1200

 

So if we add a zero to the AK240 model number, what do we get..?

 

 

 

OK, but we'll also need to double the number of angles and facets on the casework.

 

Is that to make it more user-friendly?

 

No, for no particular reason other than to make it look 'more ultimate'.

 

 

 

Hmmmm.... I'm sure we're not maximising our 'pretentiousness potential' here... erm... let's make the DAP look like it's all 'ultimate', but then let's glue an old-skool Cowon J3 onto the front of it, so it looks more 'Avant-garde', in a pretentiously 'ironic' manner, as though it might be a reference to multi-million dollar cubist paintings by Picasso.

 

Hey, we could even produce advertising that is kind of 'cubist' in a deconstructed, jumbled manner. That would look really high-end, wouldn't it?

 

 

 

The punters will be falling over themselves to buy it, then..!

 

 

 



Edited by Mython - 1/7/14 at 10:34am
post #329 of 8567

To quit a little this PRICE discussion, did you noticed the  1 Ohm output impedance ?  YESSSSS :gs1000smile: !

 

Will be low enough for low impedance IEM like the 15 ohm JH Roxane :D 

post #330 of 8567
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Originally Posted by Vinnie R. View Post
 

 

No - there are REAL pics of it from CES.  I already saw some on Audio360.org and Positive Feedback facebook pages.

 

One thing I didn't realize is how thick it seems to be!  I wonder if there will be a protective leather case for it.  I'd hate to drop $2400 on the concrete. :blink: 

 

Yeah Vinnie, you're right!

 

 

Looks like 'Stealth' technology has finally made it to DAP design...it's about time...:rolleyes:

 


Edited by burtomr - 1/7/14 at 11:02am
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