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post #2206 of 8541
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post
 

 

I think equal amount of focus on how the DAC is implemented is also relevant, not just what DAC is used. I can say that with the CS4398 implementation in the Marantz DV9300 & DV9500 SACD players, I was never really impressed with it. However in reading reviews of the AK240 it sounds like a different DAC altogether. So how the DACs are implemented is probably just as relevant.

 

+1  :cool:

post #2207 of 8541
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Originally Posted by JACONE View Post

The AK 120 provides 80% of what the AK 240 provides for 1/2 the price.

That is actually a 25% improvement. I didn't think I could afford it but if the improvement is that much then I may have to re-evaluate......
post #2208 of 8541
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Originally Posted by JACONE View Post

Conclusion - Definitely a step up from the AK 120 in every aspect. Are the improvements worth double the price of the AK 120? To me personally it would be no but only you can decide for yourself. The AK 120 provides 80% of what the AK 240 provides for 1/2 the price.
That's comparing unbalanced to unbalanced, right? Other than native DSD support, something important is forgotten here - balanced out is where AK240 truly shines.
post #2209 of 8541

My-2000 -

 

Definitely a good point.

 

I used my JH16's thus we can say I didn't test the balance function.

post #2210 of 8541
Even with unbalanced to unbalanced with Redbook quality materials, the improvement of AK240 over AK120 is substantial imo. Definitely much more so than the case of a AK120 (owned) or RWAK120 (demo'ed) over AK100 (owned).

With balanced, and/or DSD materials the gap further widen. A balanced cable is strongly recommended. I am using an 8 braid copper/silver hybrid with my JH13FP

post #2211 of 8541
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

Even with unbalanced to unbalanced with Redbook quality materials, the improvement of AK240 over AK120 is substantial imo. Definitely much more so than the case of a AK120 (owned) or RWAK120 (demo'ed) over AK100 (owned).

With balanced, and/or DSD materials the gap further widen. A balanced cable is strongly recommended. I am using an 8 braid copper/silver hybrid with my JH13FP

 

Where/How did you get/make that 2.5mm TRRS gold-plated plug? And did you try your same JH13FP on HM-901 balanced card?

post #2212 of 8541

There is something that I have been wondering...

 

How does a balanced cable work? My SE846's don't have balanced inout do they? So how would using a balanced terminator on a custom cable (such as the silver dragon V3) add any advantage?

 

Just wondering, because I would dearly love to upgrade :-)

post #2213 of 8541
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Originally Posted by Bluebear View Post
 

 

Where/How did you get/make that 2.5mm TRRS gold-plated plug? And did you try your same JH13FP on HM-901 balanced card?


Edited by piercer - 3/5/14 at 10:23pm
post #2214 of 8541
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

Even with unbalanced to unbalanced with Redbook quality materials, the improvement of AK240 over AK120 is substantial imo. Definitely much more so than the case of a AK120 (owned) or RWAK120 (demo'ed) over AK100 (owned).

With balanced, and/or DSD materials the gap further widen. A balanced cable is strongly recommended. I am using an 8 braid copper/silver hybrid with my JH13FP

 

Where did you get that lovely cable?

post #2215 of 8541
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Originally Posted by piercer View Post
 

There is something that I have been wondering...

 

How does a balanced cable work? My SE846's don't have balanced inout do they? So how would using a balanced terminator on a custom cable (such as the silver dragon V3) add any advantage?

 

Just wondering, because I would dearly love to upgrade :-)

 

A balanced cable keeps the signals from the left and right channels completely separate.   An unbalanced cable has a common ground wire.   This can lead to noise and crosstalk.  AK240 has separate DACs for each channel.   An unbalanced cable with a shared common wire might defeat or partially defeat the purpose of having 2 separate DACs.

post #2216 of 8541

Is there any official word on the true advantage of the balanced out for the ak240 by A&K? Is it listed somewhere that it will maximize sonic performance & improve clarity to warrant a significant or at-least distinguishable audio listening experience? Is balanced truly the way to go for this player?  Will it use both DAC chips to it's true potential? I kinda get this feeling that it might be another gimmick of cable overkill that will only make a difference if my DAP was on the 1st floor and I run a cable to listen to it from the 2nd floor. I know it's an extreme example but from what I understand balanced cables simply reduce noise by a small margin and it's the preferred method, if say you was running a wire across a room to ensure maximum signal quality for big rigs. I don't understand how having a custom cable matter for such a short length.


Edited by ElDeejei - 3/6/14 at 12:48am
post #2217 of 8541
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Originally Posted by JACONE View Post
 

The AK 120 provides 80% of what the AK 240 provides for 1/2 the price.

 

Honestly, following the rule of diminishing returns, this kind of improvement is something I would be more than happy with,even at this price.

 

There is a lot of talk about how overpriced the AK240 is, but honestly is there any other dap on the market that is such an allround package? I don't think so. Native DSD, balanced output, large capacity, truly light weight and portable, intuitive and fluid ui. It ticks all the boxes, at least for me. If that comes at a cost, then so be it. I would rather pay extra to have a device that does exactly what I want it to, rather than save money and be inconvenienced in some way.

 

Just for clarity, although I currently have an AK120, I am certainly no fanboy and I have been eagerly awaiting the release of the rest of the new generation of DAPs, hoping something would provide the same features at a lower price, but that device doesn't seem to exist yet, therefore expensive as it may be, I think I have my next Hi Fi purchase lined up.

 

Now off to remortgage my home :D

post #2218 of 8541
When following this thread I'm actually thinking about getting the RWAK120. Got the sr71b so balanced signal is taken care of. DSD means buying the entire collection all over again which I'll never do. With RWAK120 and sr71b i get a pure line out and balanced signal to my headphones.

But if i did not have that amp i would easily go for the 240.
post #2219 of 8541
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Originally Posted by Aktersnurra View Post

When following this thread I'm actually thinking about getting the RWAK120. Got the sr71b so balanced signal is taken care of. DSD means buying the entire collection all over again which I'll never do. With RWAK120 and sr71b i get a pure line out and balanced signal to my headphones.

But if i did not have that amp i would easily go for the 240.

RWAk120B - $1995
RS71B - $650

Personally I will choose AK240 in a heartbeat every time. Unless I have access to the rwak120b and/or rs71b used or at a heavily discounted price, at their msrp the combo doesn't make sense to me personally. Maybe it make more sense to headfiers who prefer stacks over all-in-one.....
post #2220 of 8541
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

RWAk120B - $1995
RS71B - $650

Personally I will choose AK240 in a heartbeat every time. Unless I have access to the rwak120b and/or rs71b used or at a heavily discounted price, at their msrp the combo doesn't make sense to me personally. Maybe it make more sense to headfiers who prefer stacks over all-in-one.....

I fully agree with this. Unless I am already stuck with either of those, else I will pick up an AK240 instead. Better UI, smaller and more portable and native DSD. Only part it may lose out is its internal amp may not be as powerful as the rs71b for cans. I don't own the rs71b so I am not sure how good it is driving cans like HD800 or planar cans. But if we go from unbalanced to balanced out for cans it may be decent enough since balanced gives double the power.
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