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post #1126 of 5279
I love the negative comments about price and calling A&K'S business model "shadey"!

Last I saw A&K is not twisting anyones arm to buy this player. If you truly think that a Fiio is better or has almost the same sound quality fine, go buy the Fiio. But to call A&K names as your doing says more about your value system that A&K's!

Likewise if you don't have the will power to resist the latest model, again, that says more about your personality that it does about A&K's business practices!

I feel under no pressure to buy this but if it has substantial improvements in sound quality over what I have now I may buy it or I may wait. Heck it took me almost ten years to jump on the download bandwagon!
Edited by ianmedium - 1/25/14 at 12:24pm
post #1127 of 5279
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Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post

I love the negative comments about price and calling A&K'S business model "shadey"!

Last I saw A&K is not twisting anyones arm to buy this player. If you truly think that a Fiio is better or has almost the same sound quality fine, go buy the Fiio. But to call A&K names as your doing says more about your value system that A&K's!

Likewise if you don't have the will power to resist the latest model, again, that says more about your personality that it does about A&K's business practices!

I feel under no pressure to buy this but if it has substantial improvements in sound quality over what I have now I may buy it or I may wait. Heck it took me almost ten years to jump on the download bandwagon!

hahaha ... 10 years... if consider ak240 pound for pound akin for each year you intend to own it then 2.5k price might be not overly high. in true high end good equipment is owned for many years and you can see owners selling 10y+ equipment which still offers value.

what i doubt is that ak240 will be akin McIntosh amps which resell after 30 years of use biggrin.gif

seriously, DAPs are like PCs, technology is upgraded daily and so in two years 240 will be redundant. now hopefully you see my point? tongue.gif
post #1128 of 5279
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Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post

Last I saw A&K is not twisting anyones arm to buy this player. 

 

Agree...

post #1129 of 5279
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post

I love the negative comments about price and calling A&K'S business model "shadey"!

Last I saw A&K is not twisting anyones arm to buy this player. If you truly think that a Fiio is better or has almost the same sound quality fine, go buy the Fiio. But to call A&K names as your doing says more about your value system that A&K's!

Likewise if you don't have the will power to resist the latest model, again, that says more about your personality that it does about A&K's business practices!

I feel under no pressure to buy this but if it has substantial improvements in sound quality over what I have now I may buy it or I may wait. Heck it took me almost ten years to jump on the download bandwagon!

 

This is bigger than Astell and Kern. This is about the future of the hobby.

 

There'll come a day when people will be justifying 10k DAPs. And it'll be sooner than you think.

post #1130 of 5279
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

This is bigger than Astell and Kern. This is about the future of the hobby.

 

There'll come a day when people will be justifying 10k DAPs. And it'll be sooner than you think.


+100000000000.

post #1131 of 5279
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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post

Agree...

it's not about arm twisting but about the company which starts to abuse customer loyalty. i expected something more evolutionary from them to replace my RWAK100 and so i skipped ak120 because i bought rwak just two months before ak120 was released and was a bit pissed off about no preannouncement.

still i love AK products and think they make some of best DAPs out there. now with ak240 i have to scratch my head hard because a) i do not need desktop source or dsd for which i buy standalone fullsize rigs and b) because ak240 is out there is no update to mainstream models like ak120 frown.gif

gladly i want to hear Calyx M now before deciding if ak120 or Calyx.... i have this trust in pure high end boys like Calyx while iRiver is still mass storage company trying to become exclusive. it's like BMW model line stuck against Aston Martin or Maaerati, no matter what you do BMW will never be Maserati or Aston, simply because BMW builds very fine panzirs but hardly luxury or emotional cars.
post #1132 of 5279

does anyone know how the DAC inside the Astell & Kern line compare to those inside the CLAS?

post #1133 of 5279
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

This is bigger than Astell and Kern. This is about the future of the hobby.

 

There'll come a day when people will be justifying 10k DAPs. And it'll be sooner than you think.

 

My goodness, man, why the drama with you all the time, eke2k6? It seems every time there's an expensive new product, you find your way to threads about it to tell us about how it's a harbinger of impending doom for the hobby. Keep in mind, there's still the HD 600 and HD 650. Sennheiser released the very expensive HD 800 in 2009, yet they still continue to develop and release excellent, affordable products, too, like the MOMENTUM--and at this moment, actually, I'm listening to their new HD6 MIX (~$280) out of the AK240. There's still the AK100 and AK120. FiiO's still around, and seems to be doing great.

 

You're right, though, it is about the future of the hobby. Since I founded this site in 2001, I've hoped for and (along with members of this community) encouraged companies to push forward, to push the envelope. As far as I'm concerned kudos to Astell&Kern for being rather daring with this one (in terms of its performance, features, an entirely new UI, and industrial design), as, like most things, it's not guaranteed their investment is necessarily going to pay off for them.

 

As for your earlier comment that the AK240 is just another Android device with little to differentiate it from other Android-based devices: I had the Galaxy S3, and currently own the Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note 3, in addition to the iPhone 5s...

 

 

...If you can tell me how I can get any of the three on the left to sound like and do everything the one on the right does, I'm all ears.

 

Like someone else said, it's not like (a) anyone has to buy this, or (b) that awesome affordable products will cease to exist because of it. Stop with the ridiculous drama already. Here's a tip just for you, eke2k6: don't buy it. And whatever you do, don't even use it--because you may actually start to understand it, which, from what I can tell, would go against everything you want to believe about anything that might be pricier than you want it to be.

post #1134 of 5279

At times a matter of wanting to try something and being unable to. Am against elitism in all its forms but as has been said, the pricing of a product doesn't bother me... am sure people can save even on a minimum wage if they really want one.

 

Has anyone mentioned anything about the screen... what else does it do other than show large images of shiny artwork.... also whats with the access to downloads, is this a smartDAP like the ibasso DX100? Would be good to see that real estate used for something.

 

Waiting to see what vinnie thinks of this device before my AK120 starts being wrapped up in bubble wrap and heading for a new owner.

post #1135 of 5279

We need reviews on the AK mods in general... like, if this will stand up to a RW-B + RSA/ALO mod or not.

 

Why is head-fi afraid of DAP mods? Something to do with the manufacturers?

post #1136 of 5279
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Originally Posted by jude View Post
 

 

My goodness, man, why the drama with you all the time, eke2k6? It seems every time there's an expensive new product, you find your way to threads about it to tell us about how it's a harbinger of impending doom for the hobby. Keep in mind, there's still the HD 600 and HD 650. Sennheiser released the very expensive HD 800 in 2009, yet they still continue to develop and release excellent, affordable products, too, like the MOMENTUM--and at this moment, actually, I'm listening to their new HD6 MIX (~$280) out of the AK240. There's still the AK100 and AK120. FiiO's still around, and seems to be doing great.

 

You're right, though, it is about the future of the hobby. Since I founded this site in 2001, I've hoped for and (along with members of this community) encouraged companies to push forward, to push the envelope. As far as I'm concerned kudos to Astell&Kern for being rather daring with this one (in terms of its performance, features, an entirely new UI, and industrial design), as, like most things, it's not guaranteed their investment is necessarily going to pay off for them.

 

As for your earlier comment that the AK240 is just another Android device with little to differentiate it from other Android-based devices: I had the Galaxy S3, and currently own the Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note 3, in addition to the iPhone 5s...

 

 

...If you can tell me how I can get any of the three on the left to sound like and do everything the one on the right does, I'm all ears.

 

Like someone else said, it's not like (a) anyone has to buy this, or (b) that awesome affordable products will cease to exist because of it. Stop with the ridiculous drama already. Here's a tip just for you, eke2k6: don't buy it. And whatever you do, don't even use it--because you may actually start to understand it, which, from what I can tell, would go against everything you want to believe about anything that might be pricier than you want it to be.

 

 

"Everytime" has been precisely twice. The first time was the SE846, a product by a mainstream company with resources to produce an iem with the same capabilities and price it in a way that would encourage other makers to follow suit. Instead, they did the opposite. The second time is now, in this thread.

 

All my arguments have had plenty of reasoning and thought behind them, not just a penchant for "ridiculous drama".

 

You created the site, so I don't need to spell out how the general pricing trends have been over the last few years, where flagship phones have gone from circa $300-500, all the way to $1.5k to $5,500. Anyone who has followed portable audio for a while should be able to see it.

 

I see I'm starting to upset you, so I'll leave it at that :) :beerchug:

post #1137 of 5279
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Originally Posted by Goldlion973 View Post
 

We need reviews on the AK mods in general... like, if this will stand up to a RW-B + RSA/ALO mod or not.

 

Why is head-fi afraid of DAP mods? Something to do with the manufacturers?

 

I don't think anyone's afraid of modded anything around here. Around these parts, it seemed to me that a lot of AK100 (original model) owners were getting theirs modded.

 

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Originally Posted by Goldlion973 View Post
 

...Has anyone mentioned anything about the screen... what else does it do other than show large images of shiny artwork.... also whats with the access to downloads, is this a smartDAP like the ibasso DX100? Would be good to see that real estate used for something...

 

The screen real estate is put to very good use. I can see more of my music (in terms of directories, etc.), the volume screen volume slider takes up the entire screen, and the increased height makes it rather easier to make more precise volume changes.

 

As for the download thing: I haven't gotten to that yet. Once I figure that out, I'll post about it.

post #1138 of 5279

P.S. I'm not sure how long A&K would last if Samsung and Apple got into the DAP market.

post #1139 of 5279
I do not think headfi is afraid of mods . It is more About why change a product t o begin with, I think that is a slap to a companies face. I can see using one part and not another but to have the device modded , I think is just a waist. If it to make the product work in a different manor that is ok too.

Al
post #1140 of 5279
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Originally Posted by Goldlion973 View Post

At times a matter of wanting to try something and being unable to. Am against elitism in all its forms but as has been said, the pricing of a product doesn't bother me... am sure people can save even on a minimum wage if they really want one.

Has anyone mentioned anything about the screen... what else does it do other than show large images of shiny artwork.... also whats with the access to downloads, is this a smartDAP like the ibasso DX100? Would be good to see that real estate used for something.

Waiting to see what vinnie thinks of this device before my AK120 starts being wrapped up in bubble wrap and heading for a new owner.

Oh NO !!! you suggest we will see RWAK240 with Quad Wolfsons and etc for 4k then? do you know how many happy HeadFier families this can ruin??? tongue.gif
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