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post #391 of 7326
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Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post
 

$5 says that if they did, there would be people claiming that production batch X of the genuine, Japan-made Samsung battery sounded far better than batch Y.

 

Which is clearly a ridiculous statement. Batch Y batteries stores electrons in an optimised way, far more suited for hi-fi playback.

post #392 of 7326
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Which is clearly a ridiculous statement. Batch Y batteries stores electrons in an optimised way, far more suited for hi-fi playback.

I only charge my gear using imported Norwegian power from hydroelectric power plants as it gives me a much clearer sound.


Edited by Sorensiim - 1/6/14 at 5:52am
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Edited by goodvibes - 1/6/14 at 6:09am
post #394 of 7326
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I only charge my gear using imported Norwegian power from hydroelectric power plants as it gives me a much clearer sound.

 

Sound like something Coconut Audio would sell...

post #395 of 7326
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

I hope Fiio and iBasso make more profit from selling many fairly-priced DAPs than iRiver will, from selling a relatively small number of exorbitantly priced DAPs.

 

The reason why is not sour grapes - it's quite simple.

 

Fair business approach vs. Greedy business approach.

 

 

Who would you rather do business with?

Actually, without a mainstream company like iRiver showing the way, The very products we are now so excited about in their current forms may not exist. The response should simply be to not buy it if it doesn't meet one sensibilities but there's no reason to attack their business model when it seems to be working quite well. Their last 2 players have been the best all arounders (size, sound, storage, UI etc) other than price.

post #396 of 7326
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Originally Posted by gikigill View Post

The problem is that other companies will start copying these prices and very soon we will be looking at entry level DAPs for $1000.There aren't too many audiophile DAP companies so we won't have any other option but to fork out.
As someone whose family used to have Sony everywhere, even alarm clocks, I won't be buying the ZX1 as it can't justify its price. A weak amplifier for $700 is a joke of epic proportions since we aren't talking Minidisc anymore. I hope Fiio/iBasso smash it at half the price.

Still won't be selling my Minidisc/Hi-MD collection though ;-)

Not true. The market won't support it. This fear of AK controlling the price of other products is silly. It has made companies like FiiO and iBasso rethink things to where we are now and that's not a bad place. Making fully functional pocketable players that can compete with similarly priced bricks (combos) has changed the landscape for the better.

post #397 of 7326
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

Actually, without a mainstream company like iRiver showing the way, The very products we are now so excited about in their current forms may not exist. The response should simply be to not buy it if it doesn't meet one sensibilities but there's no reason to attack their business model when it seems to be working quite well. Their last 2 players have been the best all arounders (size, sound, storage, UI etc) other than price.

 

I disagree, but have no wish to get into a debate. All I'll say, in response, is 

 

1) My dislike of AK's business model is that it is disingenuous. Just because gear addicts are still buying AK does not alter the fact that their business model is disingenuous.

 

2) I don't think iRiver are really 'showing the way' all that much. HM-901 and DX100 owe nothing to AK line, for example. It would actually be quite insulting to HiFiMan, iBasso, and Fiio, if one were to suggest that they need iRiver to teach them what to do.

 

None of the above is anything personal towards you, goodvibes, it's just my viewpoint only. I have no qualms with agreeing with you, to disagree on such matters :beerchug: 

 

 



Edited by Mython - 1/6/14 at 6:42am
post #398 of 7326

I can accept that, no problem but in my view, they accelerated the market and business models relate to business which they seem to be doing a bit of.:smile: Happy New Year!

post #399 of 7326
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I do not believe AK leads the way. They had a good product in the H120 and 140 and then went to poor products for quite some time. They had a horrible UI on the 1XX and the only thing, that, IMO, made them work well and enjoyable was Rockbox. Then other companies like iBasso with the DX100 started making some really good DAP's and of course you have had iPod for some time. But audiophile, More recently. Now that there is a real demand, AK jumps back in to go for the gold. They are more of following the money rather than producing a product that is a statement on its own. Their products are way overpriced with a lot of profit built in to them but people will buy them because they are buying price, not always product. 

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I do not believe AK leads the way. They had a good product in the H120 and 140 and then went to poor products for quite some time. They had a horrible UI on the 1XX and the only thing, that, IMO, made them work well and enjoyable was Rockbox. Then other companies like iBasso with the DX100 started making some really good DAP's and of course you have had iPod for some time. But audiophile, More recently. Now that there is a real demand, AK jumps back in to go for the gold. They are more of following the money rather than producing a product that is a statement on its own. Their products are way overpriced with a lot of profit built in to them but people will buy them because they are buying price, not always product. 

 

AK's UI is much better than iBasso's IMO

Hope you sold your AK considering all your pent up anger towards them lol

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I guess but the AKs seemed to get the ball rolling. I wouldn't be surprised if their models outsell iBasso and Hifiman combined though that would be difficult to quantify. They have reached beyond the hobbyist zealot in their marketing and by doing so have increased expectations and demand for better things from broader audience. 


Edited by goodvibes - 1/6/14 at 8:19am
post #402 of 7326
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

I guess but the AKs seemed to get the ball rolling. I wouldn't be surprised if their models outsell iBasso and Hifiman combined though that would be difficult to quantify. They have reached beyond the hobbyist zealot in their marketing and by doing so have increased expectations and demand for better things from broader audience. 


I would love to see hard data on that. Audiophile market is getting bigger but still is a niche market. Average joes still won't consider surrendering their iPods and/or smartphones these days for a single purpose device like a DAP.

 

Heck, my friends and sisters look confused when they see my DX50.

 

They ask what is it for? I answer it's a high resolution digital audio player.

 

They tried listening to it and say... oh it's an mp3 player. Does it play video? Can you load apps?

 

I took my DX50 and walked away. I see no point in explaining further. :o2smile:

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I would love to see hard data on that. Audiophile market is getting bigger but still is a niche market. Average joes still won't consider surrendering their iPods and/or smartphones these days for a single purpose device like a DAP.

 

Heck, my friends and sisters look confused when they see my DX50.

 

They ask what is it for? I answer it's a high resolution digital audio player.

 

They tried listening to it and say... oh it's an mp3 player. Does it play video? Can you load apps?

 

I took my DX50 and walked away. I see no point in explaining further. :o2smile:

I'm amazed no blood or tears were shed....

post #404 of 7326
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Originally Posted by headwhacker View Post
 


I would love to see hard data on that. Audiophile market is getting bigger but still is a niche market. Average joes still won't consider surrendering their iPods and/or smartphones these days for a single purpose device like a DAP.

 

Heck, my friends and sisters look confused when they see my DX50.

 

They ask what is it for? I answer it's a high resolution digital audio player.

 

They tried listening to it and say... oh it's an mp3 player. Does it play video? Can you load apps?

 

I took my DX50 and walked away. I see no point in explaining further. :o2smile:


Dude you gotta see the reactions I receive when people see my Spiral Ear SE5way. They look at me like I am Martian or something.

post #405 of 7326
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Originally Posted by Levanter View Post
 

 

AK's UI is much better than iBasso's IMO

Hope you sold your AK considering all your pent up anger towards them lol

I don't have pent up anger, so please don't assume this of me. What I see is a company taking as much money as they can on a product that should be priced much less. They also held out for a long time on the gapless and did not provide it for the AK100 but did the AK120. 

 

I don't find the UI any better than that of iBasso. I have zero problems with iBasso UI and few with AK after they updated theirs as well. 

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