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post #16 of 59
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Its only a what if situation, I am going to buy the HD600. and most likely stick with them for my needs. 


I just did a little research and apparently the HD650 have more bass? If this is true, wouldent it be better if I got the 650?

post #17 of 59
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Its only a what if situation, I am going to buy the HD600. and most likely stick with them for my needs. 


I just did a little research and apparently the HD650 have more bass? If this is true, wouldent it be better if I got the 650?

I compared the two for 45 minutes and found that the 650's had a bit more bass, however, the treble was rolled of a bit and the combination didn't not sound that pleasing to me. I ended up buying the HD600 even though going in I was wanting the 650's. Other than your soundcard, what do you use to listen with, a DAP or smartphone? Which model? Any amps? If none, what are your plans?


Edited by StanD - 12/27/13 at 12:35pm
post #18 of 59
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I listen to hip hop old school rap, RnB, pop, abit of rock, basically anything apart from heavy metal and classical.. 

 

My music taste ranges from Dr dre, Micheal Jackson, Guns n Roses, to Bon jovi, S.O.S band, 80's funk, stevie wonder, Marvin gaye e.t.c. 

Reason Why I dont go after bass heavy headphones like I have for all my life, is that I now appreciate the clarity and wide sound stage in a pair of headphones since I got my HD598, which are my first pair of hi fi headphones. 

I will use my sound card for the mean time, and Will upgrade to a dedicated amp and dac before next winter. I will end up spending around 200GBP, which will be around 300-350 dollars for my amp and dac. Will that be enough ?

post #19 of 59
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Originally Posted by Keelo117 View Post
 

I listen to hip hop old school rap, RnB, pop, abit of rock, basically anything apart from heavy metal and classical.. 

 

My music taste ranges from Dr dre, Micheal Jackson, Guns n Roses, to Bon jovi, S.O.S band, 80's funk, stevie wonder, Marvin gaye e.t.c. 

Reason Why I dont go after bass heavy headphones like I have for all my life, is that I now appreciate the clarity and wide sound stage in a pair of headphones since I got my HD598, which are my first pair of hi fi headphones. 

I will use my sound card for the mean time, and Will upgrade to a dedicated amp and dac before next winter. I will end up spending around 200GBP, which will be around 300-350 dollars for my amp and dac. Will that be enough ?

Your budget for the DAC/Amp is more than enough. Getting an amp first might not be such a bad idea, take a look at the Schiit Magni. What software do you use for listening to music on your PC?

post #20 of 59
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I just started to use 320kbps MP3 files on my PC, Got Dr dre first album the chronic, and 50 cent's the massacre and get rich or die trying. 

I use windows media player, so is the HD650 a good choice?

post #21 of 59
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The amp you suggested not is available in the UK, can you suggest something else? What about this 

 

Another thing is my sound card can do 24 bit 192Khz, to find a dac that can do that wouldn't it be expensive?

 

 

 

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Topping-Digital-Headphone-Amplifier-USB-DAC/dp/B00F93VHXC/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1388178765&sr=8-9&keywords=headphone+amp+dac

 


Edited by Keelo117 - 12/27/13 at 1:18pm
post #22 of 59
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I just started to use 320kbps MP3 files on my PC, Got Dr dre first album the chronic, and 50 cent's the massacre and get rich or die trying. 

I use windows media player, so is the HD650 a good choice?

I'd prefer using an HD600 with a bit of bass EQ, rather than have the HD650's slight treble roll off,.You should look at MediaMonkey and Foobar2000 as they are better than Windoze Media Player and are free. They also have nice EQ. There's a 31 band Graphic Equalizer available for Foobar2000 that has a lot of controls in the bass region.

post #23 of 59
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What about the headphone amp and dac that I linked is that any good for the HD650?

post #24 of 59

i vote he-400 with velour pads. The bass on them is just about perfect, and the velour pads really bring out the upper midrange.

post #25 of 59
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What about the headphone amp and dac that I linked is that any good for the HD650?

I ooked at their web siite and they spec "10Vp-p" for the headphone amp but don't say at what impedance. Other than saying that it's suitable for 16-300 Ohms, they don't spec the power at 300 Ohms so I'd be careful. Also if you get too much for too little of a price, that makes me suspicious, "If it's too good to be true, it isn't."

I am led to believe that the tri-amp section cannot drive headphones with a common ground and this device has a separate headphone amp. I read some reviews and people didn't think there was anything special about the headphone amp. From what I've read I get the feeling that it might not be such a good choice for driving high impedance headphones.

post #26 of 59
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 You are missing our point too. The HD700 and HD800 has less bass than the HD598. The HD700/800 was designed to sound really transparent and clear, but there is almost no bass what so ever. 

The HD598 does not have more bass than the HD800, or the HD700 for that matter. The HD800 has more impact in all areas of the bass, especially the sub-bass where it is much more extended and capable of slam & rumble. But it needs a competent amp such as a Schitt Vali or a Matrix M-Stage to bring out these differences clearly. The HD600 also has less bass than the HD800, while the HD650 has more mid-bass due to its hump but far less sub-bass as it rolls off so sharply. The HD800 also has much better defined upper bass & impact than either of those models.

 

But for the music you're listening to, why not consider a Fostex TH600? Its easier to drive off even a soundcard (25 ohm impedance/ 94 db/mw efficiency), gives a more 3d soundstage without sacrificing width and the bass of a closed can is very fun and involving for Rap and R&B.


Edited by Kyle 491 - 12/27/13 at 2:08pm
post #27 of 59
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I am looking at the Matrix M-Stage amp, will I need a DAC for it? 

And will the Matrix M-Stage amp drive 600ohm headphones?
 

post #28 of 59
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I am looking at the Matrix M-Stage amp, will I need a DAC for it? 

And will the Matrix M-Stage amp drive 600ohm headphones?
 

They have separate M-Stage products, one is a DAC the other is an Amp. They say that the amp can handle 600 Ohms but they do not spec the power level at 600 Ohms. Look at the Schiit Magni or Asgard2 Amps, they both outpower the M-Stage at 300 Ohms and spec their 600 Ohms power levels. You should start looking up these specs for yourself, they are available. If you are interested in a 600 Ohm can, you better check the sensitivity rating and figure out how much power you will need, otherwise it might not be loud enough or have enough headroom. You should settle up on the exact set of cans you want to get and then pick an amp.


Edited by StanD - 12/28/13 at 12:20am
post #29 of 59
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looks like I will be buying the HD600 then :)

 

Seriously, if you like the HD598s' wide soundstage then you will be very disappointed with the HD600s as well as the HD650; but their bass may be enough for you. I owned both the HD600s and HD650s at the same time almost 2 years ago so I'm pretty sure about that. And the HD800s' bass is far from weak especially when being compared with the HD598s unless you are trying to use them with an iPod or some cheap portable amps, because these high impedance headphones need serious amping.

 

To be honest, I've owned a lot of Sennheiser headphones from the cheap earbuds MX470s to the current flagship HD800s so I think the only Sennheiser headphones which can meet your requirements are the HD800s because of these following reasons:

 

- They are so fast that they can reveal all minor details in fast-paced music like rap and hip hop.

 

- Their clarity is only second to that of electrostatic headphones like the SR-007s or SR-009s

 

- They have the most well-defined type of bass, compared with any other Sennheiser headphones.

 

- They have the widest sound stage and the best imaging of any current production dynamic headphones (which is crucial for gaming of course; I play CS:GO too).

 

Don't even bother to find these characteristics in the HD600s and HD650s. The HD700s are superior to these 2 but.......

 

But like I said, the HD800s require lots of voltage because they have very high impedance; so you should consider buying an amp if you're ready to spoil your ears with the HD800s.

 

And btw I prefer using the LCD-2s when playing CS. :D 


Edited by StubKidDtd2512 - 12/28/13 at 4:22am
post #30 of 59
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Just got of the phone to a top notch fella, going to purchase the Magni and modi for a very good price, to get me started, and I wont be buying the HD800, way to expensive for me, Will need to buy another amp which I am not prepared to do. More then likely buying the HD700 for that wide soundstage and clarity for gaming in the next year or so, and if the chance I dont like them I will return them 

but for now It will be the magni + modi and the HD650.  This is the setup I will go with and most likely stick with.. So how will this setup perform?


The HD650, have a smaller soundstage, however more accurate, so when gaming can pin poin footsteps, gunfire e.t.c, and more of a bass then the HD600 and 598. 


 

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