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post #481 of 894
Freqphase is nothing special, if all the components are extracted from the original shell and placed into another shell making sure that the tubing is the same length, there is no reason why fp would be lost.

However I really don't think anyone is reshelling Roxanne right now because the threaded connector is proprietary to JH, so it wouldn't be wise for another company to copy it.
post #482 of 894
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Originally Posted by headwhacker View Post

Seems like JH is silently shipping Roxannes now. Congrats. With Roxanne I am now finding JH16 brighter. Detail retrieval, 3D space, instrument separation and nice timbre is just a big improvement. The thick, powerful but equally detailed bass presentation at low bass setting is more natural than my full size T1.

My JH16 was a mobile exclusive phone and I always reach for my T1 at home. But with Roxanne, I don't need to choose anymore. I can listen to it all day long.
End game....what a load of ..The game never ends just because you buy what you consider is the best,I guarantee something else will come along and beat it No problem,it's a slow progression to perfection and it will never happen in our life times and im only 5 years of age
Edited by Hifi Nutter - 5/25/14 at 1:12pm
post #483 of 894
Depends what you are trying to achieve. Sure something new will come along but what you buy is the best option for you at the time of purchase. It is not diminished by what comes next. Same applies to all technology. It's in its nature to be ever evolving. It's up to you if you allow that fact to create dissatisfaction with what you have.
post #484 of 894
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Originally Posted by Hifi Nutter View Post


End game....what a load of ..The game never ends just because you buy what you consider is the best,I guarantee something else will come along and beat it No problem,it's a slow progression to perfection and it will never happen in our life times and im only 5 years of age


Seriously? I don't know from where you pulled that crap with what you just quoted.


Edited by headwhacker - 5/25/14 at 6:50pm
post #485 of 894
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Originally Posted by krismusic View Post

Depends what you are trying to achieve. Sure something new will come along but what you buy is the best option for you at the time of purchase. It is not diminished by what comes next. Same applies to all technology. It's in its nature to be ever evolving. It's up to you if you allow that fact to create dissatisfaction with what you have.
Isn't that what always happens,something new that's better that comes along especially with reviewers and what was the top model is disregarded as inferior and it's hard not to allow yourself to be dissatisfied knowing the joneses next door have the latest model
post #486 of 894
I couldn't give a monkeys about the Joneses.
If something was superb last year it is still superb this year. Just that something has come along that is even "better". At this level probably just different anyway.
post #487 of 894
OK, I've had mine for quite a while now, so I thought I would share some of my thoughts with you.

These are probably the best fitting IEMs that I've had... so top marks for that. I was a little concerned that the CF would have an impact on fit (combined with the fact that my impressions were hanging around for 6 months before my Roxannes were built) but there has been absolutely nothing to worry about on that front. No pressure pains or anything like that... a perfect fit.

So, finish, it's good. I think the finish is a lot better than than some of the earlier examples that have been seen on headfi. Yes, there are bubbles - but they are minimal and facing in to the ear so I can live with them. I would have to be really picky to have complained about them. The Roxannes do look gorgeous... the 3d effecet of the weave is quite pronounced and have caught a few people's eyes.

The case... it actually a lot better than it comes across in pictures. It's quite dinky and is alot more visually pleasing than the pictures make out. The negative impression cut outs are snug and it's a nice touch. Will I use the case? Probably not... but it's a nice addition regardless. Again, finish isn't perfect but close enough. If you were using this as an every day case, it will get beaten up a fair bit (e.g. scratched finished, nicked aluminium etc I'd guess) - but mine sits in a drawer and I use a Peli case that I don't mind if it picks up the odd scratch etc.

OK, I use my Roxannes primarily on stage as part of an IEM monitoring system. It's good. It's very good. First thing that is very noticable is the amount of headroom that the Roxannes have got. Even when running them at quite high volume, there is nothing but control. The BAs seem to handle everything that can be thrown at it. Bass is one thing that always seems to be lacking in a live situation... and the Roxanne can deliver so much with plenty in reserve. The great fit and the good isolation means that the bass is plentiful in my ears - something that I craze... especially when performing. For bass junkies, they are a dream, they keep the bass tight and clean... and for most people, even the slightest boost will be too much... but it's there on tap, in bucketloads, if you ever need it.

The top end of the Roxannes is where things get a little interesting. They haven't got the brightness of say the 13s or 16s. The top is very laid back. It's there and the detail is there but there is a definite fall off. I actually apply around a 3db boost from around the 10khz range to liven it up a bit. What I will say about this mellow top end though, is that it enables you to listen to the Roxannes for ages without fatigue setting in. Great for long train journeys and the like. As for the "thick, mellow, dark, etc" mids of the Roxanne, yeah, I would say they are a full sounding IEM... but the detail is still there. They may have a warm characteristic about them but they certainly aren't muffled. If you are into a bright, sparkly, super hifi experience, these probably aren't the IEM for you.... but if you like a warm all encompassing presentation, they are probably a great bet. As I say, unlike other IEMs, I can listen to these all day with minimal fatigue setting in. I can't say that about my other IEMs... they definitely tire the ears alot quicker than the Roxannes.

Are they an acquired taste? Maybe... but you can't deny that they are a fantastic IEM. The whole experience of waiting for them was a little horrible and I don't think I have ever had such a miserable time waiting for them to arrive and hearing a load of BS with regards to progress etc but I would be lying if I didn't say that they are a lovely set of IEMs.

I think at this level, it's not really a case of one IEM being better than the other... it's just preference of the sound signature you like. If you have the money for a Roxanne, it's defo worth an audition.
post #488 of 894

I wonder why JH tuned the highs lower this time?  Possibly highs are buried from a default dial setting of lows being dial higher?  Or the highs are default tuned lower, high bass will most likely bury the highs, which isn't helpful.  I thought he thinks U shape is more fun sounding so he usually tunes it that way.  Although, 13 is more considered his most neutral.  I'm curious the affect of FR on bass dial tuning.

 

I can sort of understand why JH tunes in U shape.  It's so that the increased bass will not bury the treble, but it would affect the mids is the problem.


Edited by SilverEars - 5/28/14 at 4:32am
post #489 of 894
I'm not really sure why he has gone away from the U shape... but with EQ, I'm pretty much convinced you can get whatever you want (within reason) from the Roxannes. There is literally so much headroom, even some crazy boost (as opposed to your standard cut) will not pose a problem. I was quite surprised that the sound of the Roxanne is quite relaxed in the tops... but when I say that, it's is there and probably quite an accurate reproduction of what an engineer intended... it's just not the same super sparkly hyped tops that I guess we have grown used to. Having said this, I think I may actually prefer the presentation of the Roxanne. Long sessions of listening to tracks via the Roxannes have been very pleasurable. On other IEMs, I would have probably have taken a rest every so often.
post #490 of 894

Just because it's not sparkly doesn't mean it lacks details IMO.  You can taper off certain frequency points and accentuate others to make it appear to have lots of details without the harshness like the TG334.  Kinda like they permanently EQ the phones.  :D  There are lots of phones are there that are not sparkly and also very detailed, I'm guessing it's the case with the Roxannes. But the problem is the bass, bass will bury the details.  It was the case with TG334 if you don't have the right tips and don't have the right insertion depth.  Ahhhhh.. the problems with universals.. 

 

You can EQ, but one thing you cannot change is the amount of details the phones will provide.


Edited by SilverEars - 5/28/14 at 4:47am
post #491 of 894
Do you mind to share your setup and EQ? I run then with EQ as well, I can't live with it without EQ.
post #492 of 894

Why do people spend over $1,500 on a TOTL IEM and then have to resort to EQing? It seems like something is definitely wrong. Either the IEM doesn't match your taste or it is badly tuned. IMO the last thing you would want to do to your IEM is to EQ it because EQing has a negative impact on its sonic quality. Some people might disagree and use EQ often with their DAPs. But I am not even talking about boosting or reducing certain parts of the frequency spectrum here. What I mean is the entire SQ change the moment you switched on the EQ function even if it is set at flat neutral without adjustment yet. In other words, routing the audio signal through the EQ circuitry by enabling it on your DAP immediately changes the sound even if you do not/have not adjust the EQ band at all. I noticed this on all FiiO, iBasso and AK DAPs. The sound immediately weakens and becomes softer and more veiled the moment EQ function is switched on even with a 0 adjustment to the EQ band.

post #493 of 894
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Although, 13 is more considered his most neutral.

Here's the Inner Fidelity super review of many different CIEMs, including the fp JH13s:

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/totl-madness-24-top-line-custom-ear-monitors-reviewed

 

Everybody loved the 13s, despite their less than neutral frequency response.  Mind you, without measurements, this discussion is subjective.

post #494 of 894
When I demoed the Roxanne at CanJam the treble was a little tizzy until Jerry helped me get a better seal, but even then it was a little 'hot'. He said he would look into it as there were a few others that mentioned the same thing. He said he might, after getting back in the lab, lower it down 3 dB if he thought it needed it. I wonder if that might be what he ended up doing?

As far as the EQ is concerned, in a perfect world you could ask for a custom tune IF you already know how the earpieces sound but it is not likely unless you buy a set to test first. They are all tuned the same as far as I know. Except maybe for the people that asked for a custom set-up.
Edited by bearFNF - 5/28/14 at 11:31am
post #495 of 894

Yeah, I think the JH13 was his home run. The Roxanne's don't appear to be any better than other offerings such as Nobles. Having rolled off highs on a top IEM is really a shame, especially when others seem to have extended treble. JHA is no longer the top dog. That and their abysmal customer service should make their future a lot more mediocre on the consumer side. 

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