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post #421 of 649
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Originally Posted by Bluebear View Post


Maybe you can try EQing the same way if you have AK240 and see if it sounds better for the Roxanne.

Thanks! Will recall this post to try in my next demo.

I also have the asg2 and I always use it without EQ in my ak240. I usually close the bass valve completely and use it with double flange silicone tip on my 1plus2 gold/silver cable (single ended). With this setup I find deep impactful bass and good treble extension and air. I should also note my asg2 was custom made with brushed nickel plate and re-tuned by Dale himself with new mods to bass valve, tuning, and damping materials that I understand are part of the precursors to the 2.5 version.

Compared to the AK roxanne, I still thing the tg334 sound closer than my asg2. Tips might also be a factor to our less than stella impressions and personally I would opt for custom version in spite of the longer wait to avoid any tips dependency. Tips did made quite a difference for my asg2.
post #422 of 649
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

I just demo'ed the AK version universal roxanne (AKR03) on my ak240 and find similar experience. There seems to be a lot less treble extension/clarity compared to my jh13fp or 1plus2. It definitely sounded darker than both and more like my tg334 in terms of tonality. This is with the bass tuned to about 2pm position. Transparency improved slightly with the balanced cable that is also included with this AK version but still falls behind jh13/1plus2/tg334 running in single ended cable.

One possible cause could be that it is a brand new unit with less than few hrs. I am not really a burn-in guy but do have personal experience gears could sound different after the initial few days of use. Would probably demo it again later down the road, and probably get a non AK universal rox to compare together.

It may sound crazy but to me, I gave Roxannes almost 200 hrs of burn-in and there is a very big difference from its sound now. For me, it's not as dark as it used to be at first, the highs are not rolled off for me in comparison to the k10 and 13fp.. I cranked the bass at 12 o clock. Ime it needs a lot of time, this has been my experience with my 13fp too but it's just me. I did not listen to them on longer periods but gave it only ample time to find out any difference and so there would be no brain burn in.
post #423 of 649
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

If you have the updated SR-71B I doubt that it will make it thicker. The free update from Ray makes the SR-71B almost the pure line with a gain available. You need to get a set of balanced cables for your Roxanne to appreciate the beauty of the SR-71B.

I wish I got get a balance cable but JH had yet to release the connector to cable maker. Been waiting for few month. According to RSA my is updated version, maybe just like you say I bought the wrong iem. tongue.gif
post #424 of 649
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Originally Posted by stvc View Post

I wish I got get a balance cable but JH had yet to release the connector to cable maker. Been waiting for few month. According to RSA my is updated version, maybe just like you say I bought the wrong iem. tongue.gif

I have read great reviews of the Roxanne, just wait until you go balanced to make a final decision. My SE846 with the RSA Lightning (similar amp architecture as the SR-71B) is a marriage made in sonic heaven.
post #425 of 649
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

I have read great reviews of the Roxanne, just wait until you go balanced to make a final decision. My SE846 with the RSA Lightning (similar amp architecture as the SR-71B) is a marriage made in sonic heaven.

New bing it, what adapter do you have to connect to the rsa?
post #426 of 649
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Originally Posted by acadia View Post

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New bing it, what adapter do you have to connect to the rsa?

As I said in the post, I have the SE846 connected to my RSA Lightning amp with a custom carbon fiber Kobiconn/RSA connector.

My comment was to wait until balanced cables are available for the Roxanne.
post #427 of 649
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Originally Posted by soullinker20 View Post

It may sound crazy but to me, I gave Roxannes almost 200 hrs of burn-in and there is a very big difference from its sound now. For me, it's not as dark as it used to be at first, the highs are not rolled off for me in comparison to the k10 and 13fp.. I cranked the bass at 12 o clock. Ime it needs a lot of time, this has been my experience with my 13fp too but it's just me. I did not listen to them on longer periods but gave it only ample time to find out any difference and so there would be no brain burn in.

It might not be too crazy after all.

I got to listen to two more pairs of universal rox (one JH, one AK version) and indeed they sounded all different. I like the JH one the best with better bass and treble responses and generally more transparency. Incidentally, it's the one that's been run the longest (over 50 hours). The second AK rox I demoed is also somewhat more transparent than the first one I tried, tho the mods are still more intimate than the JH one and it has more prominent mid bass comparatively.

I probably need to find a JH and an AK ones with comparable mileage for a more critical comparison. But now that I also demo'ed the new Tralucent Ref1, it's gonna make my next purchase decision even more complicated... mh335dw studio reference, rox custom, rox uni, and Ref1... too bad I don't have more kidneys...or limbs... lol
Edited by kkcc - 5/2/14 at 11:21pm
post #428 of 649
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post


It might not be too crazy after all.

I got to listen to two more pairs of universal rox (one JH, one AK version) and indeed they sounded all different. I like the JH one the best with better bass and treble responses and generally more transparency. Incidentally, it's the one that's been run the longest (over 50 hours). The second AK rox I demoed is also somewhat more transparent than the first one I tried, tho the mods are still more intimate than the JH one and it has more prominent mid bass comparatively.

I probably need to find a JH and an AK ones with comparable mileage for a more critical comparison. But now that I also demo'ed the new Tralucent Ref1, it's gonna make my next purchase decision even more complicated... mh335dw studio reference, rox custom, rox uni, and Ref1... too bad I don't have more kidneys...or limbs... lol

I'm in the same situation. Too many new stuffs, too limited money. 

post #429 of 649

Got my Roxanne Universals today. I was a little surprised at how dark sounding they are in comparison to my Shure SE846 (w/white "bright" filter). They almost remind of how dark my Westone 4r is, although everything is superior to the Westones, of course. Wondering if it's a fitment issue? I've tried several of the included tips and I found the treble to be a little harsh with the silicone tips. The foam tips aren't bad, but I might need to give these some significant burn-in considering the reports I'm seeing of burn-in affecting the "dark" qualities of this IEM. So far, I much prefer the Shures, TBH, but that's probably more of the sound signature I liked to begin with.

post #430 of 649
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Originally Posted by Spamateur View Post
 

Got my Roxanne Universals today. I was a little surprised at how dark sounding they are in comparison to my Shure SE846 (w/white "bright" filter). They almost remind of how dark my Westone 4r is, although everything is superior to the Westones, of course. Wondering if it's a fitment issue? I've tried several of the included tips and I found the treble to be a little harsh with the silicone tips. The foam tips aren't bad, but I might need to give these some significant burn-in considering the reports I'm seeing of burn-in affecting the "dark" qualities of this IEM. So far, I much prefer the Shures, TBH, but that's probably more of the sound signature I liked to begin with.

Probably not a fit issue. I was very careful to get as close to a perfect fit as I could and to my ears and a number of others the roxanne has a dip in the upper mids/lower treble, plus a bit of a dark tonality. I think people either get used to that ("burn-in", in this case) or not. Having other high-end iems means that you'll be reminded of the roxanne's issues rather than just getting used to it.

post #431 of 649
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

I probably need to find a JH and an AK ones with comparable mileage for a more critical comparison. But now that I also demo'ed the new Tralucent Ref1, it's gonna make my next purchase decision even more complicated... mh335dw studio reference, rox custom, rox uni, and Ref1... too bad I don't have more kidneys...or limbs... lol

Could you compare the Ref1 and rox for us, particularly the treble, thanks.

post #432 of 649
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post
 

Probably not a fit issue. I was very careful to get as close to a perfect fit as I could and to my ears and a number of others the roxanne has a dip in the upper mids/lower treble, plus a bit of a dark tonality. I think people either get used to that ("burn-in", in this case) or not. Having other high-end iems means that you'll be reminded of the roxanne's issues rather than just getting used to it.

Thanks for the input, Kunlun. I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing these qualities to the signature of these IEMs.

 

Upon further listening, I'm able to appreciate the detail the Roxannes provide. Impressed by the soundstage as well as the treble extension. The Freqphase functionality in particular is pretty impressive. Songs seem much more syncopated and tighter. Definitely makes me wish this technology wasn't exclusive to JH. Not sure I'm completely sold on the Roxannes just yet, however. 

post #433 of 649
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Originally Posted by Spamateur View Post
. Definitely makes me wish this technology wasn't exclusive to JH.

As for this part, several owners of ciem companies in private conversation with me have laughed at the idea that freqphase in the sense of accurate phase correction and elimination of timing issues using passive crossovers and considering sound tube length, etc. isn't something that everybody has already been doing in their own way.

 

According to them, the criticism is why wasn't JH doing it earlier like everyone else?

 

That's just what I've been told in private. It doesn't take away from how the Rox sounds, nor does it add to it.

 

In any case, I hope you enjoy the earphones you have and that you find the best set for what you want to hear. Enjoy the music!


Edited by Kunlun - 5/5/14 at 7:04pm
post #434 of 649
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post
 

As for this part, several owners of ciem companies in private conversation with me have laughed at the idea that freqphase in the sense of accurate phase correction and elimination of timing issues using passive crossovers and considering sound tube length, etc. isn't something that everybody has already been doing in their own way.

 

According to them, the criticism is why wasn't JH doing it earlier like everyone else?

 

That's just what I've been told in private. It doesn't take away from how the Rox sounds, nor does it add to it.

 

In any case, I hope you enjoy the earphones you have and that you find the best set for what you want to hear. Enjoy the music!

Makes total sense. Most likely a placebo affect after reading all the promo materials for the jh16s and Roxannes for months before finally purchasing.

post #435 of 649
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Originally Posted by Spamateur View Post

Makes total sense. Most likely a placebo affect after reading all the promo materials for the jh16s and Roxannes for months before finally purchasing.

Several owners of commuter car companies in private conversation with me have laughed at the idea that [insert competitor feature here] isn't something that everybody has already been doing in their own way.

According to them, the criticism is why wasn't [insert competitor here] doing it earlier like everyone else?

That's just what I've been told in private. It doesn't take away from how [insert competitor car here] drives, nor does it add to it.

In any case, I hope you enjoy your car and that you find the best car for what you need. Enjoy the drive!
Edited by Trogdor - 5/5/14 at 8:03pm
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