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Most of those headphones need good amps to sing, and I don't think these headphones would destroy those listed above especially considering they are technically the best HP's around.
From what I've read, these are on par with the HE-500 which is not a negative thing at all, in fact it would make these a great bargain considering the lack of amping requirements

 

I used them all above with a Burson Conductor coming out of both a computer and an iPhone 5s (take that as you will) and in the end was impressed with none of them enough to purchase them. I took a complete gamble on the PH6 and from the MOMENT I put them on my head I knew it was the right decision.

 

These are so far above the HE-500 it's ridiculous, and even above the HE-6. Now if you're someone who just prefers open-back then this will not be the case, but the PH6 coming straight out of a Macbook Pro yielded a superior experience to the above listed coming out of the Burson.

 

The thing is, I really, really wanted to like the HiFiMan and Audeze. I had the money, I was ready to buy my first big boy audiophile setup. But I sat listening, going through this song and that, hearing the strengths and weaknesses, understanding perfectly well what those headphones did beautifully, but I just could not say that they were worth the purchase. I listened to the PH6, immediately was grateful I hadn't bought the others, and am still grateful now.

 

I feel the need to really impress upon you that this is not me justifying spending less money. I was fully prepared to drop a decent chunk of change on whichever sounded best to me and the necessary hardware to go with it, but I just couldn't. The sound wasn't there. Now sure, I'm willing to bet if I could get some LCDX or whatever else is even further up the ladder I'd find my winners, but there was nothing amongst the sub-1500 crowd. 

post #602 of 1646

interesting, i share similar view..

 

took out my VI for a spin today, must say the more satisfying sound i heard is out of the laptop directly,

 

(vs the audiogd amp, i dun seem to get the "best" out of the VI, though the soundstage is more spaced out, the VI sound thinner...that made me cranked up the vol on high gain..with little improvement....hmmmm gave me a little cold feet..cos there is obviously some gear "mismatch"..decided to vol down n not torture this VI :P )

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I used them all above with a Burson Conductor coming out of both a computer and an iPhone 5s (take that as you will) and in the end was impressed with none of them enough to purchase them. I took a complete gamble on the PH6 and from the MOMENT I put them on my head I knew it was the right decision.

 

These are so far above the HE-500 it's ridiculous, and even above the HE-6. Now if you're someone who just prefers open-back then this will not be the case, but the PH6 coming straight out of a Macbook Pro yielded a superior experience to the above listed coming out of the Burson.

 

The thing is, I really, really wanted to like the HiFiMan and Audeze. I had the money, I was ready to buy my first big boy audiophile setup. But I sat listening, going through this song and that, hearing the strengths and weaknesses, understanding perfectly well what those headphones did beautifully, but I just could not say that they were worth the purchase. I listened to the PH6, immediately was grateful I hadn't bought the others, and am still grateful now.

 

I feel the need to really impress upon you that this is not me justifying spending less money. I was fully prepared to drop a decent chunk of change on whichever sounded best to me and the necessary hardware to go with it, but I just couldn't. The sound wasn't there. Now sure, I'm willing to bet if I could get some LCDX or whatever else is even further up the ladder I'd find my winners, but there was nothing amongst the sub-1500 crowd. 

 

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I used them all above with a Burson Conductor coming out of both a computer and an iPhone 5s (take that as you will) and in the end was impressed with none of them enough to purchase them. I took a complete gamble on the PH6 and from the MOMENT I put them on my head I knew it was the right decision.

 

These are so far above the HE-500 it's ridiculous, and even above the HE-6. Now if you're someone who just prefers open-back then this will not be the case, but the PH6 coming straight out of a Macbook Pro yielded a superior experience to the above listed coming out of the Burson.

 

The thing is, I really, really wanted to like the HiFiMan and Audeze. I had the money, I was ready to buy my first big boy audiophile setup. But I sat listening, going through this song and that, hearing the strengths and weaknesses, understanding perfectly well what those headphones did beautifully, but I just could not say that they were worth the purchase. I listened to the PH6, immediately was grateful I hadn't bought the others, and am still grateful now.

 

I feel the need to really impress upon you that this is not me justifying spending less money. I was fully prepared to drop a decent chunk of change on whichever sounded best to me and the necessary hardware to go with it, but I just couldn't. The sound wasn't there. Now sure, I'm willing to bet if I could get some LCDX or whatever else is even further up the ladder I'd find my winners, but there was nothing amongst the sub-1500 crowd. 

Well you've just convinced to go out and demo these, will report back when I get the chance
I dig the tonality of my modded HE-500's so much (FR is pretty important to me) so I don't know how far ahead the PHVI will be, but I'll go into these with an open mind
Macbook Pro's DAC/amp is kinda hazy for me, lacks definition and clarity out of everything I'd thrown at it but I'll give it a shot, if it drives well out of my Macbook that's one less thing to worry about!

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You will NOT find a better headphone at that price. 

Don't take it personnally but statements like that are dangerous. Use with great care.

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Isn't it cheaper on Amazon.jp??? I don't know if $660 is such a good deal

.jp seems to have the lowest new price world wide. USA price is around an extra $115 which is still whoppingly good compared to European madness.
True indeed especially since using superlatives are hard to do objectively.
For instance, though I know the pandora is fast and has a ton going for it, I think the AD has better weight to the notes, better layering, juicier midrange, and sounds more true to life. Though I prefer the Pandoras bass and ease of use I can see ppl preferring the AD

Also do I prefer the zmf x vibro because the midrange of the pandora isn't as hefty/rounded and the bass is tighter/ punchier and also has better layering.

That is my personal pick for best value at that price but mostly because it does what I like.
Edited by grizzlybeast - 6/11/14 at 11:44pm
post #605 of 1646
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True indeed especially since using superlatives are hard to do objectively.
For instance, though I know the pandora is fast and has a ton going for it, I think the AD has better weight to the notes, better layering, juicier midrange, and sounds more true to life. Though I prefer the Pandora overall but can see someone preferring the AD

Even more do I prefer the zmf x vibro because the midrange of the pandora isn't as hefty/rounded and the bass is tighter/ punchier and also has better layering.

That is my personal pick for best value at that price but mostly because it does what I like.

Yep, heft to the notes is a requirement for me to enjoy the music - that's why I dig the ortho sound
Something about thin notes just feels completely unnatural to me (which is why a lot of IEM's don't work well for me), wonder where the Pandora stands

post #606 of 1646
^ pandora weight to the note is adequate any less wouldn't be natural. The Vi does sound natural though. The balance is quite good as we'll with an upper midrange boost that's slightly above the lower mids. A slight lower mid bump in eq would give a sense of weight but you are right. Ortho notes in general sound bolder. I personally prefer that.
post #607 of 1646
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^ pandora weight to the note is adequate any less wouldn't be natural. The Vi does sound natural though. The balance is quite good as we'll with an upper midrange boost that's slightly above the lower mids. A slight lower mid bump in eq would give a sense of weight but you are right. Ortho notes in general sound bolder. I personally prefer that.

 

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post


True indeed especially since using superlatives are hard to do objectively.
For instance, though I know the pandora is fast and has a ton going for it, I think the AD has better weight to the notes, better layering, juicier midrange, and sounds more true to life. Though I prefer the Pandora overall but can see someone preferring the AD

Even more do I prefer the zmf x vibro because the midrange of the pandora isn't as hefty/rounded and the bass is tighter/ punchier and also has better layering.

That is my personal pick for best value at that price but mostly because it does what I like.


Hmm so the bass is punchier with ZMF X Vibro right compared to the Pandora? Just making sure I understood it right. The ZMF X Vibro starts sounding like an interesting choice for me as indeed I do also like "hefty" notes which primarily comes from a forward enough midrange (lower midrange in particular or 300 - 1000Hz) that isn't lower in volume level than the highs.

I like the sound of punchier bass and heftier notes, two things that matter a lot to me or otherwise I also can't get into the music. I just don't like "thin" sound which is more a matter of timbre (mids vs highs balance) than bass presence IMO. :) But it can always get too lush and smooth too. To find the headphone doing everything right for your taste seems like mission impossible. :/


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/11/14 at 11:50am
post #608 of 1646
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Originally Posted by nehcrow View Post
 

 

Well you've just convinced to go out and demo these, will report back when I get the chance
I dig the tonality of my modded HE-500's so much (FR is pretty important to me) so I don't know how far ahead the PHVI will be, but I'll go into these with an open mind
Macbook Pro's DAC/amp is kinda hazy for me, lacks definition and clarity out of everything I'd thrown at it but I'll give it a shot, if it drives well out of my Macbook that's one less thing to worry about!

 

Depends on what model you have. The newest is significantly better than old models. I got mine last november and it's the top-end model with the dual graphics cards and whatnot. I can't speak for older iterations. 

post #609 of 1646
When. It boosted I found the vibro more punchy. But when boosted I found the pandora just as punchy as the vibro when boosted. It responds extremely well to boost. I just don't know if the boosts I tried were around the all important 50hz or not.

It's forward but fast yet rich. It's not thin but compared to most t50 mods it's a less hefty sound. Before I edited my text I had that the lower midrange makes things sound weighty but it's not totally true. You can have solid treble notes solid bass notes and so forth and I may be failing at describing it but a treble note on a vibro will sound more sense than on a pandora. The pandora highs are very clear though. I really appreciate them on well mastered stuff
post #610 of 1646
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You can have solid treble notes solid bass notes and so forth and I may be failing at describing it but a treble note on a vibro will sound more sense than on a pandora. The pandora highs are very clear though. I really appreciate them on well mastered stuff


That's more the character of the highs, like goldenears have a slider-rating describing the nature of the highs as:  rough |---------------------------| soft. Different headphones have very different character in the highs even if they are equally loud in the frequency response chart. Sennheiser headphones, especially the 5xx / 6xx openback ones have very soft highs character despite having a healthy presence in highs (talking mostly HD600, HD598). The Fostex T50rp is known to have pretty soft highs character. To me that softness is much more natural sounding than the shrilly character such as you find in Audio Technica M50 and Yamaha MT220 for example. That it's softer doesn't mean it's less present it's just mellower without being less bright. :P 


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/11/14 at 12:31pm
post #611 of 1646

in general, and no matter the balance, the pandora notes are not as solid as the t50 mods I have heard. It does have amazing clarity though

post #612 of 1646
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in general, and no matter the balance, the pandora notes are not as solid as the t50 mods I have heard. It does have amazing clarity though


Most T50rp mods tend to be somewhat on the warm side of neutral having the highs gently rolled-off which gives it's nice lush midrange. I personally have a pretty warm amp etc and I prefer balanced mids and highs with a still decently hefty weight in the vocals, instruments etc. Headphones like Denon Dxxx, Fostex TH-900/600 are a bit too thin sounding for my tastes. I think I have a quite similar taste in timbre as Tyll. He likes headphones like Focal Spirit Pro/Classic, NAD Viso HP50 etc. for their overall balance/timbre. He also quickly starts disliking headphones as soon as the highs gets slightly bit too present, it can be matter of a couple dB max even which is also the case for me, generally I can stand slightly bit veiled highs better than emphasized highs irrelevant if they cause any sibilance issues or not, I just don't like the sound when there's too much highs present in the overall balance of the music.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/11/14 at 12:48pm
post #613 of 1646
^th600 is thinner for sure but the bass is tighter.
post #614 of 1646
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^th600 is thinner for sure but the bass is tighter.


That's a bummer, I need pretty tight bass response. :P As often is the case, you can get some parts of the headphone's sound that is to your taste but almost never all bits and pieces.

post #615 of 1646
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Most T50rp mods tend to be somewhat on the warm side of neutral having the highs gently rolled-off which gives it's nice lush midrange. I personally have a pretty warm amp etc and I prefer balanced mids and highs with a still decently hefty weight in the vocals, instruments etc. Headphones like Denon Dxxx, Fostex TH-900/600 are a bit too thin sounding for my tastes. I think I have a quite similar taste in timbre as Tyll. He likes headphones like Focal Spirit Pro/Classic, NAD Viso HP50 etc. for their overall balance/timbre. He also quickly starts disliking headphones as soon as the highs gets slightly bit too present, it can be matter of a couple dB max even which is also the case for me, generally I can stand slightly bit veiled highs better than emphasized highs irrelevant if they cause any sibilance issues or not, I just don't like the sound when there's too much highs present in the overall balance of the music.

Planar magnetics man, planar magnetics... that's all I have to say
Maybe not the Audeze/Oppo range, but HiFiMan should be up your alley (especially the new HE-560 from what I've read)
I agree with Denon and Fostex being too thin too

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