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post #196 of 1640
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Originally Posted by gelocks View Post

First impressions: very very heavy!!! (Yes, heavier than Perfect Sound Dido's which are mostly metal as well, and heavier than the Alpha Dogs from MrSpeakers...). I guess those two are helped by their floating headband/strap. But the weigh isn't really a big deal, I mean... come on... I'M A MAN!! BRING SOME!! LOL. wink.gif 
Seriously though, as previously mentioned, pads are just not the best feeling on the ears. They are pleasant but too soft and after a few minutes they are already pressing on the ears and you feel the plastic/metal cup that the earpad TRIES to surround... I use glasses as well so, maybe that's helping with the lack of comfort, but the earpads are just not deep enough! frown.gif

Can't judge sound yet since I got them like an hour ago! wink.gif
I can say though that it sounds airy, with good imaging and a good overall balance (tone). It's neither too bright, nor warm. Like it so far.
Can't wait to hear impressions vs dido
post #197 of 1640

Will definitely post them...

I can say that compared to the Dido's, the Pandora's are "cleaner", especially in the mids/treble regions and of course, less bassy ;-) (quick impression).

 

Will chime in with more later during the weekend/week.

 

post #198 of 1640
@xanlamin said the pandoras were more bassy.
Or maybe impact I dunno.

I wonder how the dido would fair as a portable. I will wait to hear about it.
post #199 of 1640
Dido is definitely less bassy than Pandora.
post #200 of 1640

Here is the funny thing. Someone else said the didos werent cannons and xanlamin stands by his opinion but some reviews call the dido as having tons of bass. Then gelocks says they are not as bassy. 

 

I want to clarify something that I am learning about headphone bass. I will use my recent comparison of the yamaha vs q40. 

 

The yamaha is not a basshead headphone but when it calls for it will smack and punch like one. Okay then you have the q40 that is a basshead can and the mix of it always makes the emphasis/focus the bass even though it is done really well the bass dominates. However when playing two really bass heavy songs the yamaha hits and rumbles a little bit harder than the q40. 

 

Something else to confirm this is how the hd 8 dj is. It definitely has more bass emphasis than the yamaha. Well xanlamin said the yamaha rumbled more. Was he off to my ears? No The hd 8 dj has more bass than the yamaha but the yamaha housing lets you feel it more in the cups. Well the hd 8 dj bass dominates the mix more though and is truly a basshead can.

 

Another thing is how people say the spirit pro is more detailed in the bass than the 7520. Absolutely not. the 7520 is more detailed but the pro sounds more controlled.

 

thump equals bassy

bassy equals thump

tight equals detail

impact equals bassy

impact equals thump

 

what determines what is bassy or not, impact/rumble or quantity lol? That is the question for now I will say it is the balance of the headphone that determines for me what is bassy or not. But then you have this PANDORA whose bass is not the main emphasis but punches harder and has just as much weight to it as any of the above. Yet it feels like the bass is free and not holding the music down but rather boosting it in energy. 

 

I am confusing myself so sorry if I confused you. 

post #201 of 1640

IMO

 

thump = impact and is due to what I would call tightness.

 

Tightness is the adjective used for describing  the less common term known as Impulse response.

The "better" the impulse response the less phase inaccuracy caused by slightly delayed freqs (due to resonance in the cups or the driver itself responding to the returned signal) will be heard

thus resulting in a cleaner bass sound.

the better the driver and the acoustics of the HP the "cleaner"/"tighter" the bass will be as well as what you could also call more detailed

 

though detail perception can also be a factor of the level of the bass freq.

 

I think it can be divided in 2 categories:

1 bassy

2 quality bass 

 

Bassy headphone should be one with an elevated range in the bass frequency over the rest of the spectrum

Quality bass can be with an elevated range in the bass frequency over the rest of the spectrum but with other attributes mentioned above

post #202 of 1640
Grizz, you have described the situation very well. Pandora is truly a very unique headphone. I'm not going to sell it anymore. With the new pads, it will be more comfortable for longer listening sessions.
post #203 of 1640

^yeah bro keep it!. I might keep this hd 8 too I dunno. The pandora is unique. I just cant keep all these hp's and I reallly want the he560. but I am trying to figure out how to do it and keep the pandora. I aint ballin' nah mean.

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Originally Posted by ForceMajeure View Post
 

IMO

 

thump = impact and is due to what I would call tightness.

 

Tightness is the adjective used for describing  the less common term known as Impulse response.

The "better" the impulse response the less phase inaccuracy caused by slightly delayed freqs (due to resonance in the cups or the driver itself responding to the returned signal) will be heard

thus resulting in a cleaner bass sound.

the better the driver and the acoustics of the HP the "cleaner"/"tighter" the bass will be as well as what you could also call more detailed

 

though detail perception can also be a factor of the level of the bass freq.

 

I think it can be divided in 2 categories:

1 bassy

2 quality bass 

 

Bassy headphone should be one with an elevated range in the bass frequency over the rest of the spectrum

Quality bass can be with an elevated range in the bass frequency over the rest of the spectrum but with other attributes mentioned above

I dont know if it makes sense to me in saying tightness  makes impulse response. Maybe I am not fully catching your drift.  I guess good attack + control + quantity would. 

 

But to give an example the akg k545 is VERY tight/controlled with decent quantity but it doesnt have the attact to give it any pleasing thump. So its control or tightness doesnt let you feel it. It needs dynamics.

post #204 of 1640
Just to sidetrack a bit, Pandora IV's bass is quite similar to AKG 545. It doesn't attract. I just felt it doesn't have the energy to make me feel satisfied after hearing it.
post #205 of 1640
Hey bro, I'm really enjoying this HD8 DJ. I think it's my setup. Macbook Air to iCan Nano to HD8 DJ. Everything from Rock to Jazz to Instrumental feel so good and natural. I'm starting to offload some other headphones from my stable tongue.gif
post #206 of 1640
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

I dont know if it makes sense to me in saying tightness  makes impulse response. Maybe I am not fully catching your drift.  I guess good attack + control + quantity would. 

 

But to give an example the akg k545 is VERY tight/controlled with decent quantity but it doesnt have the attact to give it any pleasing thump. So its control or tightness doesnt let you feel it. It needs dynamics.

control is the result of a good impulse response..also attack so who knows...ahh too much descriptive...

 

 I guess you are probably right about the "magic mixture" control+quantity will give you good and fast dynamics and the more of the two the better it should give you "thump or slap ".

post #207 of 1640
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Originally Posted by xanlamin View Post

Hey bro, I'm really enjoying this HD8 DJ. I think it's my setup. Macbook Air to iCan Nano to HD8 DJ. Everything from Rock to Jazz to Instrumental feel so good and natural. I'm starting to offload some other headphones from my stable tongue.gif

The pandora and hd8 would make a good team. The hd8 letting you settle down and vibe out while the pandora gets some juice flowing. I can see it. took the fs thread down now as well. 

 

actually they are both good at getting you amped. Just the VI has some more life in em

I just expect there to be a big sale from my end when the he560 is available. I just cant let the pandora go. I will get the 400i before I do


Edited by grizzlybeast - 3/14/14 at 9:39pm
post #208 of 1640
Yeah, waiting for the he560 too. Should be a great can.
post #209 of 1640

grizzlybeast, you really wanna make me get both those Yamaha MT220 and Pandora VI haha.

Bass is a difficult range to describe because there's so much stuff going on there. Ideally I'd want bass that thumps/punches hard, ie. has hard impact (HD25's bass characteristics with more subbass), nice balance between sub and midbass and good texture (not too sloppy but not too dry either, somewhere in-between but rather slightly drier than slightly too reverby) and bass that I can feel. 

As far as the rest of the range goes, I just want as balanced mids and highs as possible with as good quality as possible but bass is an important range for me due to the music I listen to.

EDIT: Finally placed an order on the Yamaha, maybe sometimes in future the Pandora VI. Just feels like I need to try out MT220 first to get a good idea if it's for my taste or not as it's much cheaper, in europe the Yamaha is a bit cheaper too, £129 GBP / 160€, damn!  (some ~50 EUR cheaper than the usual US to europe pricing comparison so with that pricing it's definitely worth owning one whether it fits my personal taste or not).


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 3/15/14 at 2:26am
post #210 of 1640
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

grizzlybeast, you really wanna make me get both those Yamaha MT220 and Pandora VI haha.

Bass is a difficult range to describe because there's so much stuff going on there. Ideally I'd want bass that thumps/punches hard, ie. has hard impact (HD25's bass characteristics with more subbass), nice balance between sub and midbass and good texture (not too sloppy but not too dry either, somewhere in-between but rather slightly drier than slightly too reverby) and bass that I can feel. 

As far as the rest of the range goes, I just want as balanced mids and highs as possible with as good quality as possible but bass is an important range for me due to the music I listen to.

EDIT: Finally placed an order on the Yamaha, maybe sometimes in future the Pandora VI. Just feels like I need to try out MT220 first to get a good idea if it's for my taste or not as it's much cheaper, in europe the Yamaha is a bit cheaper too, £129 GBP / 160€, damn!  (some ~50 EUR cheaper than the usual US to europe pricing comparison so with that pricing it's definitely worth owning one whether it fits my personal taste or not).

yeah it was a tricky can for me.

 

anyway the pandora would fit the above. 


Edited by grizzlybeast - 3/16/14 at 2:05am
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