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post #121 of 443
Oh wow. This is awesome, charges your phone too! They should release an ios version, I know their others work with ios, but let's be honest, this is much better than e07k or e17

Edit: does it work with ios? because as i'm sitting here with my iphone dying, it sounds pretty fantastic.
Edited by Hapster - 5/9/14 at 6:54am
post #122 of 443
Yes it does, with the appropriate connector. See a few posts earlier.
post #123 of 443
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Originally Posted by Hapster View Post

Oh wow. This is awesome, charges your phone too! They should release an ios version, I know their others work with ios, but let's be honest, this is much better than e07k or e17

Edit: does it work with ios? because as i'm sitting here with my iphone dying, it sounds pretty fantastic.

Use the Lightning CCK (Camera Connection Kit) Cable with a recent version of IOS and you're good to go. Then you can get Neutron or SmartEQ as a player app because what comes stock sucks. You can also hook up to a USB DAC that draws too much power for your phone by using a powered USB Hub inbetween the CCK cable and DAC,.

post #124 of 443
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Then you can get Neutron or SmartEQ as a player app because what comes stock sucks.

I use the Denon Club App already, I love it :D

 

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You can also hook up to a USB DAC that draws too much power for your phone by using a powered USB Hub inbetween the CCK cable and DAC,.

 

I don't think I quite understand what you're trying to say here?

post #125 of 443
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I don't think I quite understand what you're trying to say here?

If you hook up a DAC that draws too much power from the iDevice via the CCK cable, the iDevice (iPhone or iPod) or Android device (using an OTG Cable) will pop up a message saying that it will not work, rather than burn out. Unfortunately the Samsung US version of the Galaxy S3 will burn out, I can't say what happens to the international version. So to supply power to the DAC's USB port you will need a powered USB Hub in-between the CCK/OTG cable and the DAC, where the Hub provides the power to the DAC's USB port instead of the iDevice/ANdroid device. Even though your desktop DAC may be powered from the AC Mains, its USB port draws power from the source (iDevice or Android device).

post #126 of 443

Well, I am a noob big time. The E18, my first amp/dac, and my two headphones in my sig. I hooked the E18 up to the Harman Kardon BTs, and to my untrained, bad hearing ears, it is awesome!!:D

post #127 of 443
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Well, I am a noob big time. The E18, my first amp/dac, and my two headphones in my sig. I hooked the E18 up to the Harman Kardon BTs, and to my untrained, bad hearing ears, it is awesome!!:D

out of the 2 headphones you have, which one you like the most, sound quality wise

post #128 of 443
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out of the 2 headphones you have, which one you like the most, sound quality wise

Good question, I gave my opinion on those two in this thread a lot..

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/710413/high-end-bluetooth-headphones/15

 

Short answer, the Sony MDR 1RBTMK2 is in a different class than the Harman Kardon BTs. The Sony outclasses the HK in every area. However, the Sony cost 3 times as much as the HK BT.

 

The cost must be taken into account when comparing these.

 

Sony MDR 1RBTMK2 =$335 including shipping

Harman Kardon BT=$97 including shipping (refurbished, IMO, new like condition)

 

Lastly, the E18 really made the HK BT raise its level. Haven't connected the  E18 to the Sony MK2 yet.

post #129 of 443
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If you hook up a DAC that draws too much power from the iDevice via the CCK cable, the iDevice (iPhone or iPod) or Android device (using an OTG Cable) will pop up a message saying that it will not work, rather than burn out. Unfortunately the Samsung US version of the Galaxy S3 will burn out, I can't say what happens to the international version. So to supply power to the DAC's USB port you will need a powered USB Hub in-between the CCK/OTG cable and the DAC, where the Hub provides the power to the DAC's USB port instead of the iDevice/ANdroid device. Even though your desktop DAC may be powered from the AC Mains, its USB port draws power from the source (iDevice or Android device).


Okay, so I do have the fiio E07k and what you're saying is, unlike the E07k, there's no way to turn off "recharge via usb". Because I know what happens when it attempts to charge and you hook it to an iphone. So I need a "powered USB hub" to charge it AND use it like a dac/amp?

 

So If I use this it won't be simply Iphone -> cck -> usb male to micro usb -> Fiio Unit

 

It'll be Phone -> CCK -> usb male to usb male  -> USB hub -> usb male to whatever the E18 is -> Fiio E18? Because that sounds extremely...not portable.

 

If you own it, could you post a picture of the whole thing being used connected to an iOS/Android Device?


Edited by Hapster - 5/10/14 at 9:09am
post #130 of 443
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Okay, so I do have the fiio E07k and what you're saying is, unlike the E07k, there's no way to turn off "recharge via usb". Because I know what happens when it attempts to charge and you hook it to an iphone. So I need a "powered USB hub" to charge it AND use it like a dac/amp?

 

So If I use this it won't be simply Iphone -> cck -> usb male to micro usb -> Fiio Unit

 

It'll be Phone -> CCK -> usb male to usb male  -> USB hub -> usb male to whatever the E18 is -> Fiio E18? Because that sounds extremely...not portable.

 

If you own it, could you post a picture of the whole thing being used connected to an iOS/Android Device?

You seem to have the basic hookup understood, A male to male type A USB cable is hard to find and can be dangerous to use if you connect it to two different laptops and or desktops. The input to the hub usually comes with a cable that is mini-USB at the hub and full sized male type A that connects to the OTG or CCK cable. For portable I use a FiiO E18 that does not need a powered Hub as it doesn't draw power from the CCK or OTG connected source.
iPod Touch -> Lightning CCK -> Male type A USB to Micro USB -> E18
Android -> OTG Cable -> Male type A USB to Micro USB -> E18

I only need the Hub for connecting to my Bifrost Uber USB DAC, which is definitely not portable so the Hub is not an issue. There's too much stuff and wires tucked away around that to make an intelligible picture.
That iPod Touch 5G is an excellent DAP when teamed up with the right apps. Until the right apps turned up I wouldn't even try because the stock player is nothing to get excited about.

post #131 of 443
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iPod Touch -> Lightning CCK -> Male type A USB to Micro USB -> E18
 

I only need the Hub for connecting to my Bifrost Uber USB DAC, which is definitely not portable so the Hub is not an issue. There's too much stuff and wires tucked away around that to make an intelligible picture.
That iPod Touch 5G is an excellent DAP when teamed up with the right apps. Until the right apps turned up I wouldn't even try because the stock player is nothing to get excited about.

 

Alright, thanks, the hub was confusing me. So did you manage to find a one-piece Type A to Micro usb? or at the very least a small cable? I couldn't find anything on eBay.

 

I actually was planning on using this is an ipod 5G, I use the Denon App for music playing honestly, I don't think an App can make anything more hifi, so it's good enough for me. It allows queing of music, a graphic Eq ($1.99), search lyrics for songs, bios of Artists, check order of shuffled songs, built-in radio app. Very useful all-around. :)

post #132 of 443
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Alright, thanks, the hub was confusing me. So did you manage to find a one-piece Type A to Micro usb? or at the very least a small cable? I couldn't find anything on eBay.

 

I actually was planning on using this is an ipod 5G, I use the Denon App for music playing honestly, I don't think an App can make anything more hifi, so it's good enough for me. It allows queing of music, a graphic Eq ($1.99), search lyrics for songs, bios of Artists, check order of shuffled songs, built-in radio app. Very useful all-around. :)

Hubs tend to use either a Male Type A (to Device) and either a Mini or Micro USB Male to the Hub. These are standard and plentiful and usually supplied with the hub. Below is the Mini. The micro USB type is the same as usually supplied with a typical Android phone.

 

http://smile.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-A-Male-Mini-B-Cable-Meters/dp/B001TH7GUK select 3 feet - If you search further you can probably find a shorter one. I have a short one but don't know where i got it, it's been a while.

post #133 of 443
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Hubs tend to use either a Male Type A (to Device) and either a Mini or Micro USB Male to the Hub. These are standard and plentiful and usually supplied with the hub. Below is the Mini. The micro USB type is the same as usually supplied with a typical Android phone.

 

http://smile.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-A-Male-Mini-B-Cable-Meters/dp/B001TH7GUK select 3 feet - If you search further you can probably find a shorter one. I have a short one but don't know where i got it, it's been a while.

 

Well, from your description I won't need to get a hub it looks like.

 

But this is what I bought for 99 cents, hopefully this is the right type.

 

http://www.miniinthebox.com/usb-am-mirom-adapter_p598880.html?currency=USD&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&gclid=CJSP08_6ob4CFeZaMgodkEoAIA

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post #134 of 443
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Originally Posted by Hapster View Post
 

Well, from your description I won't need to get a hub it looks like.

 

But this is what I bought for 99 cents, hopefully this is the right type.

 

http://www.miniinthebox.com/usb-am-mirom-adapter_p598880.html?currency=USD&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&gclid=CJSP08_6ob4CFeZaMgodkEoAIA

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How do you expect to place this in the chain? If you plan to plug that directly into an Android phone, it will not work as it is not an OTG connector. OTG is wired differently than a standard connection.


Edited by StanD - 5/10/14 at 12:40pm
post #135 of 443
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How do you expect to place this in the chain? If you plan to plug that directly into an Android phone, it will not work as it is not an OTG connector. OTG is wired differently than a standard connection.

I'm using an ipod 5, not android, and I'd be doing e18 -> the converter up there -> cck -> ipod.

Shouldn't that work for both power &
Dac capabilities?
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