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post #976 of 1895
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

Hi I have an IPOD Classic 120 gb running in team with my three amps: Meier Stepdance /Fiio E12/Fiio E12 DIY. I am very pleased with each of those combos, They all sound soo good. And the IPOD still has such a good interface and usability. I can imagine that the FIIO X3/5 or the new Sony Walkmans we all know are audible better than the unamped IPOD classic, but can someone qualify how much better a X5 sounds compared to an amped IPOD classic that does so well as I feel right now. You see I am a little tired of the next new toy when there is no real improvement. my desk s already crowded with amps, cans, iems and DAPs. Sometimes it takes just too long to stack away all this properly.

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I'll be receiving the X5 through the mail today as part of the tour and I can compare it to an iPod 5th generation (which is what I use every weekday to listen to music with the JDS Labs C5/C5D).
I can pick up my E12 from a friend's place today too.
Edited by miceblue - 2/10/14 at 12:09pm
post #977 of 1895
Hey Mice, that sounds great. Can't wait for your findings, but take your time. I listen to AAC 320 vbr as I can't tell it apart from lossless.
post #978 of 1895
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post
 

Hi I have an IPOD Classic 120 gb running in team with my three amps: Meier Stepdance /Fiio E12/Fiio E12 DIY. I am very pleased with each of those combos, They all sound soo good. And the IPOD still has such a good interface and usability. I can imagine that the FIIO X3/5 or the new Sony Walkmans we all know are audible better than the unamped IPOD classic, but can someone qualify how much better a X5 sounds compared to an amped IPOD classic that does so well as I feel right now. You see I am a little tired of the next new toy when there is no real improvement. my desk s already crowded with amps, cans, iems and DAPs. Sometimes it takes just too long to stack away all this properly.

 

:ph34r:


You are in luck, I have had my iPod Classic available while listening to the X5 and no competition. The X5 sounds like a reference player while the iPod classic sounds like a bright mid-high tilted player, absolutely no comparisons. Once you hear how low and high the X5 goes you know at that point the iPod classic is left in the dust, now that is from the HO and un-amped. Also just remember that unless you Rockbox the classic, you won't be able to play hi-res on it, that alone leaves it way behind.

post #979 of 1895
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You are in luck, I have had my iPod Classic available while listening to the X5 and no competition. The X5 sounds like a reference player while the iPod classic sounds like a bright mid-high tilted player, absolutely no comparisons. Once you hear how low and high the X5 goes you know at that point the iPod classic is left in the dust, now that is from the HO and un-amped. Also just remember that unless you Rockbox the classic, you won't be able to play hi-res on it, that alone leaves it way behind.

Even if you Rockbox classic you cant play hi-res, i think so, but you can play flac files, and beat eu-volume cap.

post #980 of 1895
I'm playing some 24/96 music just fine with Rockbox on the 5th generation iPod.
Legally free music to download.
http://mrsolidsnake745.bandcamp.com/
post #981 of 1895
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I'm playing some 24/96 music just fine with Rockbox on the 5th generation iPod.
Legally free music to download.
http://mrsolidsnake745.bandcamp.com/

 

You can still play but it is down sampled to 16/44.

post #982 of 1895
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I'm playing some 24/96 music just fine with Rockbox on the 5th generation iPod.

Legally free music to download.
http://mrsolidsnake745.bandcamp.com/

You can still play but it is down sampled to 16/44.
But the real question is: does 24/96 provide any audible benefits to human ears? wink.gif
As long as it can play the HD master, whether down-sampled or not, the master makes much more of a difference than 24/96 itself.


Anyway, this is getting off topic.
post #983 of 1895
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But the real question is: does 24/96 provide any audible benefits to human ears? wink.gif
As long as it can play the HD master, whether down-sampled or not, the master makes much more of a difference than 24/96 itself.


Anyway, this is getting off topic.

 

I can feel the difference when I listen to the different sample rates compared to 44.1 or 48, it is called micro details. I would not go out there and buy the more expansive versions because let's face it I am frugal. ;)

post #984 of 1895
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But the real question is: does 24/96 provide any audible benefits to human ears? wink.gif

As long as it can play the HD master, whether down-sampled or not, the master makes much more of a difference than 24/96 itself.



Anyway, this is getting off topic.

I can feel the difference when I listen to the different sample rates compared to 44.1 or 48, it is called micro details. I would not go out there and buy the more expansive versions because let's face it I am frugal. wink.gif
A study of 60 participants with varied listening experiences did a test between even a SACD's DSD layer (which the X5 can eventually decode) and 16/44 resulted in that were that people were guessing between the two formats; no audible distinction could be detected. Chances are you didn't properly volume-match the files and you haven't done an ABX test to confirm your observations. XD
It might be an interesting read: http://www.drewdaniels.com/audible.pdf

44.1/2 (22.05 kHz) is already above human hearing, and by Nyquist sampling rates, a unique solution exists for the analog waveform. A higher sampling rate isn't necessary for what humans can detect.

As suggested in the study, the master of a recording makes much more of a difference, if not all of a difference, between different music mediums and not the bit-depth and sampling rates themselves.



And I need to load my microSD cards since I haven't had the time to prepare them. >.>
Edited by miceblue - 2/10/14 at 1:14pm
post #985 of 1895
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A study of 60 participants with varied listening experiences did a test between even a SACD's DSD layer (which the X5 can eventually decode) and 16/44 the results were that people were guessing; no audible distinction could be detected. Chances are you didn't properly volume-match the files and you haven't done an ABX test to confirm your observations. XD
It might be an interesting read: http://www.drewdaniels.com/audible.pdf

44.1/2 is already above human hearing, and by Nyquist sampling rates, a unique solution exists for the analog waveform. A higher sampling rate isn't necessary for what humans can detect.

 

Nyquist sampling rates you bring some fond memory


Good to know, I guess I have golden ears lmao :D 


Edited by musicheaven - 2/10/14 at 1:15pm
post #986 of 1895
Thanks for your replies so far. The headphone out of the classic is meh, that's for sure. But when amped properly on LOD the story changes so much, from a black and white mono movie to a 3D blockbuster. That is why I am hesitant right now.

Edited by pietcux - 2/10/14 at 1:16pm
post #987 of 1895
The only fiio device to support crossfeed is the E12 Mont Blanc
post #988 of 1895
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post


But the real question is: does 24/96 provide any audible benefits to human ears? wink.gif
As long as it can play the HD master, whether down-sampled or not, the master makes much more of a difference than 24/96 itself.


Anyway, this is getting off topic.

 

Although I don't have hardware capable of 24/96, I intend to agree with you on the highlighted. I could hear the 16/44 DSD sounds differently (better) from the regular 16/44 CD's. More dynamic and better imaging.

post #989 of 1895
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

Thanks for your replies so far. The headphone out of the classic is meh, that's for sure. But when amped properly on LOD the story changes so much, from a blck and white mono movie to a 3D blockbuster. That is why I am hesitant right now.

 

I get you but I have had iPods for years, all kinds 5th gen, 6th gen and 7th gen classic, I sold all but the iPod 5th gen and that is from the LOD amped because let's face it, the iPod amp section is lousy. The bottom line is if you want a true portable player then the X5 is for you. If you want a stack, then you may not necessarily benefit from it. 

post #990 of 1895
The E12/Ipod stack is nearly same thickness as the X5 and fits very good in my shirt breast pocket. I could see me trying the Sony ZX1or the Fiio X5 if the sound much better unamped than my stack.
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