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post #901 of 1895
Good to see it arrived safely! I'll start my review after Monday when I get my exam out of the way.
post #902 of 1895

well, it scanned my 32gb card fine, but it hangs up on 3519 with my 64gb cards

post #903 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

Agree.  The thing is - the X5 reads all the tag data correctly - it just doesn't display it in the preferred order.  Once they add hierarchy - there should be no issues.  It's a simple matter of:

Genre > Artist > Album > Title

 

I'd hope it would be a relatively simple fix .....


Maybe it's a simple matter for you. But for classical music lovers like me, it is not when we prefer composer first, or am I wrong? After that, album is okay. If our tastes are more eclectic, then genre should be first, I agree.

post #904 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Ripvanlink View Post
 


Maybe it's a simple matter for you. But for classical music lovers like me, it is not when we prefer composer first, or am I wrong? After that, album is okay. If our tastes are more eclectic, then genre should be first, I agree.

 

I love my classical too - but that's where folder mode comes in.  You can arrange things exactly as you'd prefer.

 

The reason I suggested correcting "Genre > Artist > Album > Title" is because it's the most commonly used approach for any music player.  The reason I didn't include composer is that for the current UI, Composer isn't included as a field.  However the others I mentioned are.

 

FWIW - under ideal conditions, I'd love to see Composer there eventually also - but first I'd like to see more library functionality with the existing tags.

 

Hope that clarifies.

post #905 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

I love my classical too - but that's where folder mode comes in.  You can arrange things exactly as you'd prefer.

 

The reason I suggested correcting "Genre > Artist > Album > Title" is because it's the most commonly used approach for any music player.  The reason I didn't include composer is that for the current UI, Composer isn't included as a field.  However the others I mentioned are.

 

FWIW - under ideal conditions, I'd love to see Composer there eventually also - but first I'd like to see more library functionality with the existing tags.

 

Hope that clarifies.


Thanks, Brooko. When I receive my X5, I will look into this folder option you mention. I think there was also an option like this when I owned the Cowan J3, if I remember rightly, but it's been a while since then. I was able then to be somewhat successful somehow, although I don't remember specifics that well. The Sansa Fuze+ doesn't have it, not that I could find. If you could explain how to make this folder system do my bidding, I'd appreciate the clarification.

post #906 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Ripvanlink View Post
 


Thanks, Brooko. When I receive my X5, I will look into this folder option you mention. I think there was also an option like this when I owned the Cowan J3, if I remember rightly, but it's been a while since then. I was able then to be somewhat successful somehow, although I don't remember specifics that well. The Sansa Fuze+ doesn't have it, not that I could find. If you could explain how to make this folder system do my bidding, I'd appreciate the clarification.

OK

 

You'd set your folder hierarchy up as follows:

 

Composer (Eg Beethoven)

 

Then you could go two folders underneath - Concertos and Symphonies

 

Under those you'd go either Artist/orchestra, then the actual performance - tracks

 

OR Performance/Symphony - then Artist/orchestra, then the actual tracks

 

You'll end up with folders about 4 layers deep - so takes a few extra clicks in folder browsing mode ...... but probably worth it.

 

FTR - mine is Composer > Symphony/Concerto > Artist/Orchestra

post #907 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

OK

 

You'd set your folder hierarchy up as follows:

 

Composer (Eg Beethoven)

 

Then you could go two folders underneath - Concertos and Symphonies

 

Under those you'd go either Artist/orchestra, then the actual performance - tracks

 

OR Performance/Symphony - then Artist/orchestra, then the actual tracks

 

You'll end up with folders about 4 layers deep - so takes a few extra clicks in folder browsing mode ...... but probably worth it.

 

FTR - mine is Composer > Symphony/Concerto > Artist/Orchestra

I see, so it's folders within folders and my option to title each one the way I wish. I thought this was the right way, but needed the clarification, thanks. Mine will be simpler: Composer/Composition/Conductor/Orchestra/tracks. Will I need a folder for each track??? Hope not!

post #908 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Ripvanlink View Post
 

I see, so it's folders within folders and my option to title each one the way I wish. I thought this was the right way, but needed the clarification, thanks. Mine will be simpler: Composer/Composition/Conductor/Orchestra/tracks. Will I need a folder for each track??? Hope not!

:D

 

No - but do make sure that individual tracks are always prefixed by their order in the album.  EG my Kempff's Beethoven Sonatas has file names:
 

01 - 1. Pathetique - Grave - Allegro di molto e con brio.flac

02 - 2. Pathetique - Adagio cantabile.flac

03 - 3. Pathetique - Rondo (Allegro).flac

04 - 1. Moonlight - Adagio sostenuto.flac

05 - 2. Moonlight - Allegretto.flac

06 - 3. Moonlight - Presto agitato.flac

etc

 

That way they are always in order.

post #909 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Ripvanlink View Post
 


Thanks, Brooko. When I receive my X5, I will look into this folder option you mention. I think there was also an option like this when I owned the Cowan J3, if I remember rightly, but it's been a while since then. I was able then to be somewhat successful somehow, although I don't remember specifics that well. The Sansa Fuze+ doesn't have it, not that I could find. If you could explain how to make this folder system do my bidding, I'd appreciate the clarification.

 

The Sansa Fuze had folder view to my knowledge. I used that or playlist to listen to all my music.

post #910 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

This ^

 

 

 

Actually the only one with an open bias so far - is you (and that's not meant to be snarky either).  We've heard and experienced the sound, the UI, tested the power, and compared it to other DAPs, and even to full sized rigs we own.  You haven't heard or experienced it - yet and yet you've already formed an opinion ....

 

The reason people are excited is because this is a really good sounding product, and has the potential to be excellent (especially at the price point) if Fiio fix the faults (that we have been pointing out BTW).  Given Fiio's stance within the community, and willingness to both engage and collaborate with us to improve the product - this is why we are optimistic about the fixes.

 

Finally - there is no gain here for any of us in giving either a positive or negative slant to what we've experienced.  We're just stating what we've found by actually experiencing it.  Perhaps the fact that we are all stating similar experiences is a testament to the X5 itself.

 

Oh and finally:

  1. Gapless does work - but needs tweaking.  It's controlled by software - not hardware - hence our optimism for the fix.
  2. The X5 does read the tags consistently (IME with it anyway).  What it doesn't do is order it correctly -ie Artist > Album > Track.  Again this is a software fix which Fiio says they will address
  3. Folder browsing is excellent and works flawlessly.

 

I'll repeat my point - everyone is so excited about the player and its pros, that the cons are getting glossed over.   No offense - and no attack on you whatsoever - but if you look at your post above, it epitomizes what i am saying.

 

Let's recap:

1.  Gapless doesnt work properly right now - not for classical and yet everyone is giving them a pass saying it will get fixed soon.  

2.  Artist > Album > Track is not exactly an outlier method of accessing one's library.   It is very basic functionality which it doesnt do properly/reliably, and this is also getting a pass as "it will get fixed soon"

 

Forget what *will* happen and whether it is an easy fix or not.   It doesnt work right now.    

 

For one, if it is that easy a problem, how come they didnt get it right the first time, especially given that this is not their first player?  

 

And second, these arent new problems:  the X3 (and the DX50) have had these problems in the past and they still havent gotten it to work properly - both the DX50 and the X3 require deletion of most ID3 tags in order for the library function to work.     That isnt a fix on the manufacturer's side, that is a workaround on our side.   I now can no longer have Album Artist tags separate from Artist, I lose my Composer tag, I can no longer use a separate field to keep track of the orchestra.   Other people may not care about that, but I do.      So I dont share your confidence that it will get fixed easily unless we start shouting for it.

 

And contrary to how i may come across here, i am not hating on the product.   I've just had to spend a LOT of time getting both my DX50 and my X3 to catalog my music properly - and if a DAP cannot do that properly, then it has failed as a DAP.    I really would like to get an X5 - but only if the UI works properly, and I dont have to fight it every time i want to listen to some music.    

 

And it is a little frustrating to see how little pressure we, as consumers, are exerting on the manufacturer to Get It Right.

 

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Originally Posted by TekeRugburn View Post
 

 

That's exactly what you're saying.  Yes, we are fully aware of the possible bias of the product but the reviewers were hand picked with atleast a moderate level of experience with gear.  If I think a gear is garbage I'll say it; a lot of the gear I've tried failed to meet my expectations.  A lot of the reviewers are very critical of gear and I don't expect anything less than the truth.

 

You missed the word "DELIBERATE".     The differences between various bits of source and amp equipment are smaller than the errors introduced by placebo and confirmation bias even for professional reviewers - i have no doubt that most people are posting what they THINK is the truth.    

 

In any case, my comments arent about the sound - i am sure it sounds really good.   My comments were about how we are glossing over the failings, instead of putting some pressure on the manufacturer to fix it.   The player should be judged and evaluated on the way it is RIGHT NOW - and right now, based on everything I am reading, it has a few glaring defects which need to be fixed.  IMO, anyway.


Edited by vkalia - 2/9/14 at 3:45am
post #911 of 1895
The two 'glaring' defects you mention have been documented plenty here - there's not much more to say about them right now. And to most people they're minor. To me gapless playback and media library are unimportant (I like to browse by folder anyway). Yes we get that they're important to you. In which case you can wait to see when / if they get improved later on before buying. Or buy another DAP. It doesn't mean that other people's priorities can't be different to yours.
post #912 of 1895

Does any reviewer try X5 with LCD-2, T1, HE-500 directly?

post #913 of 1895
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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
 

 

I'll repeat my point - everyone is so excited about the player and its pros, that the cons are getting glossed over.   No offense - and no attack on you whatsoever - but if you look at your post above, it epitomizes what i am saying.

 

Let's recap:

1.  Gapless doesnt work properly right now - not for classical and yet everyone is giving them a pass saying it will get fixed soon.  

2.  Artist > Album > Track is not exactly an outlier method of accessing one's library.   It is very basic functionality which it doesnt do properly/reliably, and this is also getting a pass as "it will get fixed soon"

 

Forget what *will* happen and whether it is an easy fix or not.   It doesnt work right now.    

 

For one, if it is that easy a problem, how come they didnt get it right the first time, especially given that this is not their first player?  

 

And second, these arent new problems:  the X3 (and the DX50) have had these problems in the past and they still havent gotten it to work properly - both the DX50 and the X3 require deletion of most ID3 tags in order for the library function to work.     That isnt a fix on the manufacturer's side, that is a workaround on our side.   I now can no longer have Album Artist tags separate from Artist, I lose my Composer tag, I can no longer use a separate field to keep track of the orchestra.   Other people may not care about that, but I do.      So I dont share your confidence that it will get fixed easily unless we start shouting for it.

 

And contrary to how i may come across here, i am not hating on the product.   I've just had to spend a LOT of time getting both my DX50 and my X3 to catalog my music properly - and if a DAP cannot do that properly, then it has failed as a DAP.    I really would like to get an X5 - but only if the UI works properly, and I dont have to fight it every time i want to listen to some music.    

 

And it is a little frustrating to see how little pressure we, as consumers, are exerting on the manufacturer to Get It Right.

 

 

You missed the word "DELIBERATE".     The differences between various bits of source and amp equipment are smaller than the errors introduced by placebo and confirmation bias even for professional reviewers - i have no doubt that most people are posting what they THINK is the truth.    

 

In any case, my comments arent about the sound - i am sure it sounds really good.   My comments were about how we are glossing over the failings, instead of putting some pressure on the manufacturer to fix it.   The player should be judged and evaluated on the way it is RIGHT NOW - and right now, based on everything I am reading, it has a few glaring defects which need to be fixed.  IMO, anyway.

 

What glaring problems haven't been reported again and again?  Last time I checked everyone is reporting the problems they encounter.  My library scan keeps stopping on my 64gb card.  I don't know if there is a corrupt file, the microsd card itself or something else.  

 

Everyone is reporting any and all UI problems they encounter.  Ever tech giants encounter problems when something new is released.  Laptops, tablets, TV's and everything inbetween.  IOS and their Maps when it first came out for example.  It happens;  and the UI on the X5 isn't perfect but I came in not expecting it to be.  Trust me, I'm as critical as it gets when it comes to reviews and Fiio takes consumer feedback as serious as any other company.  

 

I don't mind the media library as I use the Folder system most of the time....not saying it works because it doesn't for some people.  I don't have that much classical music so I can't report on it.  I try to keep my tags tidy on my music but it gets tedious so I mostly rely on folder system.  I don't do playlists so I can't really bring that up.  

post #914 of 1895
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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post

 

In any case, my comments arent about the sound - i am sure it sounds really good.   My comments were about how we are glossing over the failings, instead of putting some pressure on the manufacturer to fix it.   The player should be judged and evaluated on the way it is RIGHT NOW - and right now, based on everything I am reading, it has a few glaring defects which need to be fixed.  IMO, anyway.

 

That seems to be a perpetual theme with all the new DAPs coming out lately: How much slack is it reasonable to give them when it comes to bugs and missing features. I think the simplest answer, given everyone's varying tolerances for these things is: Make an article/wiki with the current status of the performance and software showing everything from battery usage time to missing or broken features. "Read the Wiki before asking questions" can then be added to the main thread titles. Then people interested in buying it can decide if any of those are show-stoppers or not before they buy it. That is also the best and most reasonable way to encourage the manufacturer to improve their software without having to rant on about stuff that just annoys people who don't want to read about what they already know for the nth time. :smile:

post #915 of 1895
Quote:
Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
 

 

I'll repeat my point - everyone is so excited about the player and its pros, that the cons are getting glossed over.   No offense - and no attack on you whatsoever - but if you look at your post above, it epitomizes what i am saying.

 

Let's recap:

1.  Gapless doesnt work properly right now - not for classical and yet everyone is giving them a pass saying it will get fixed soon.  

2.  Artist > Album > Track is not exactly an outlier method of accessing one's library.   It is very basic functionality which it doesnt do properly/reliably, and this is also getting a pass as "it will get fixed soon"

 

Forget what *will* happen and whether it is an easy fix or not.   It doesnt work right now.    

 

For one, if it is that easy a problem, how come they didnt get it right the first time, especially given that this is not their first player?  

 

And second, these arent new problems:  the X3 (and the DX50) have had these problems in the past and they still havent gotten it to work properly - both the DX50 and the X3 require deletion of most ID3 tags in order for the library function to work.     That isnt a fix on the manufacturer's side, that is a workaround on our side.   I now can no longer have Album Artist tags separate from Artist, I lose my Composer tag, I can no longer use a separate field to keep track of the orchestra.   Other people may not care about that, but I do.      So I dont share your confidence that it will get fixed easily unless we start shouting for it.

 

And contrary to how i may come across here, i am not hating on the product.   I've just had to spend a LOT of time getting both my DX50 and my X3 to catalog my music properly - and if a DAP cannot do that properly, then it has failed as a DAP.    I really would like to get an X5 - but only if the UI works properly, and I dont have to fight it every time i want to listen to some music.    

 

And it is a little frustrating to see how little pressure we, as consumers, are exerting on the manufacturer to Get It Right.

 

 

You missed the word "DELIBERATE".     The differences between various bits of source and amp equipment are smaller than the errors introduced by placebo and confirmation bias even for professional reviewers - i have no doubt that most people are posting what they THINK is the truth.    

 

In any case, my comments arent about the sound - i am sure it sounds really good.   My comments were about how we are glossing over the failings, instead of putting some pressure on the manufacturer to fix it.   The player should be judged and evaluated on the way it is RIGHT NOW - and right now, based on everything I am reading, it has a few glaring defects which need to be fixed.  IMO, anyway.

 

I can understand what people complained about and we also hope X3, X5 will be perfect, but there are something need to clarify. 

 

1, Unless we have some software like iTune, there will always have problem in the music library updating and music playback, we are not trying to defend us, but we believe that Apple can do better if they don't use iTune to conver all the music files to the standard format and create the data base first.

 

2, Sometimes it is not the fault of X3 or X5 itself,  sometimes it is cause by the format of the micro SD card.

 

3, Why we still sell it before we can fix all the bugs, trust me, it is mission impossible if we can find out and fix all the bugs. maybe it is not a suitable example, but even iPhone have some serious bugs , and they have thousands of engineers but we have only very few engineers.

 

4, We are trying to meet the requirement from our user, but I think we are equal, means you get what you pay and we have not lie to our customers, but it is not a serious issue and we should response to , for example, as a customer, I want a replaceable battery and a micro SD card in iPhone, OK, 

 

    I can buy Galaxy Note III, but if I like the iOS, I have to buy iPhone.

 

OK, at least we are listening and keep working hard to improve the design the build quality and the UI and all the thing. so if you trust us please support us, if not, you will not loss anything.    

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