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post #1231 of 1895
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I also stand by my review. It's ok to have differing opinions though. Just a bit shocking is all smily_headphones1.gif. I didn't hear the X5 as sibilant. It was like the opposite of that really for me. The only times I had issues with certain tracks is well, due to those certain tracks wink.gif...

 



Precisely Lee - sibilance to me is in the music. There can be headphones that are prone to it also. But a DAP? Even the HSA V3 Anniversary (which is a bit brighter than the X5) shows no sign of sibilance to me.

EDIT - at 46yo - it could be that my ears are shot though biggrin.gif

 

I tend to be sensitive to such peaks myself so :P.

post #1232 of 1895
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The SE Asia unit arrived this morning intact from Hong Kong. 

I've used it a little bit (w/UM Miracle and VSonic GR07 MKI), but I'm not ready to make a final judgment on its sound. However, as far as first impressions go, my thought is that it isn't substantially better than my J3. I swapped out the microSD card from the J3 and listened to the exact same files that I've heard a hundred times. I haven't yet pinned down exactly how they differ in head-fi-speak, but no part of me said "I have to have this!" It was a bit of a bummer because I like Fiio and really want something that smokes the J3 in the sound department. I will say that soundstage is noticeably better, but nothing else stood out at me and left me gobsmacked. These are very early impressions....

I'm going to load it up with some high-res files/vinyl rips later and get to know it better. Sometimes things have a way of creeping up on you, sort of like a new set of headphones that your ears just aren't used to yet, so I may yet change my tune. I will send it off to the next person on Friday - I think that will be enough time for me, especially in light of the delay we had due to the lunar new year holiday - this leg of the tour is way behind.

I will say that I found the UI to be very easy to use - I had no trouble figuring out how to quickly navigate around the player and get it to do what I wanted. I'm not a playlist junky, so I didn't try to create any and it's just not important to me. I may try seeing what can be done later on, but if you're the type to listen to full albums, I'm confident this UI will be more than sufficient. However, the scroll wheel takes some getting used to. It is very sensitive, but I think it's one of those things that becomes second nature over time even though it may be a bit annoying at first. The player did become a bit warm after just a short while, but nothing to be concerned about.

The X5 is built like a tank - you could use it as a weapon in a pinch - it's that sturdy and has enough weight to do some damage. I put it in my shirt pocket and yeah, it felt quite a bit heavier than what I'm used to, but I think I could deal with it - I'll give it a try on my way to work tomorrow, which is my personal litmus test for portability.

That's all I've got so far, people. I'll post a more thorough review after myself and the X5 have been cheek to jowl for a substantial amount of time.

Good to hear this unit still exists eek.gif

I say give it at least a good week. It'd be a waste to have the X5 always be spending its time in a shipping carton between reviewers and not getting listened to redface.gif But it's up to you of course smily_headphones1.gif
post #1233 of 1895
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+1

This trend is fine though. Need differing opinions of course. Reviews are just that, reviews. 

The X5's only 'real' con for me on the build would be the inability to stabalize the scroll wheel and click wheel so it doesn't stabalize. 

Bowei can you please explain what you meant by your statement above. I just want to make sure I understand (wheel stabilization)?
I think he means the sensitivity of the wheel. I find it to be hard to use at times.
The wheel has clicks, and they seem to be very worn down or something. It's in-between being clicky and smooth (more on the smooth side), such that when the wheel is rotated, what you see on the screen doesn't necessarily correspond to what you feel on the wheel (e.g. 3 clicks on the wheel may only correspond to 1 movement/scroll on the screen). Even if the X5 was the best-sounding portable media player on the market, it's useless to me if I can't use it accurately on-the-go. It's the reason why I didn't buy the Teclast T51 back in the day when kiteki was around.

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I also stand by my review. It's ok to have differing opinions though. Just a bit shocking is all smily_headphones1.gif. I didn't hear the X5 as sibilant. It was like the opposite of that really for me. The only times I had issues with certain tracks is well, due to those certain tracks wink.gif...

 



Precisely Lee - sibilance to me is in the music. There can be headphones that are prone to it also. But a DAP? Even the HSA V3 Anniversary (which is a bit brighter than the X5) shows no sign of sibilance to me.

EDIT - at 46yo - it could be that my ears are shot though biggrin.gif
XD
I'm 22, so that may be a factor. I don't know if ssssibilanccccccce is the right word though ssssinccce thosssse ssssoundsss aren'tttt really what causssesss my earssss to be fatttigued.
post #1234 of 1895
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You hear any sign of sibilance on your unit Bowei?  Of any of the frequency deviations MiceBlue and others are talking about?

I'm just about finished with the 'daily use' testing.

 

This means me using it on the go like it was an iPod using very muffled $60 portable headphones with massive EQ. This was mainly for daily use functions, UI, how easy it was to function, and throw around etc.

 

True sonic listening started today and only happened for a bit.


 

But I did notice a very very slight lack of smoothness in the mids. While my Project-H and C4 Pro were able to handle difficult mid parts without much mid flucuation, the X5 had a bit of slight spikes (very hard to even tell) in the vocals during intricate times.

 

This could be taken to be the slight 'brightness' possibly. I didn't read Micey's post in detail so I don't know what his comparison equipment would be. Obviously, comparing the X5 to say an HTC phone output would leave the X5 brighter in some aspects. But I trust that he knows what he is doing.

 

But yeah, I currently spent a bit of time demoing a few songs and I do hear what I believe to be a slight combo of what Micey and I are referring to. In where a few portions of the mids have an extremely slight off balance flucuation. The X5 has a slight flucuation at the end of the mid vocal range making it have a very slight brighter end.

 

Basically, the X5 struggles with the mid end, and doesn't do it flawlessly. 

 

In the end, I will half agree with Micey in that there is a slight 'spike' at the end of the mid range (leading into the highs), but in that it doesn't really make the sonic signature of the X5 bright. But rather is a sonic anomaly. 


 

Here is a sneak peak link of the C4 Review which includes an X5 comparison:

http://www.pandatechreview.com/colorfly-c4-pro-review/

 

I'll be doing some formatting, additional editing, and adding pics to make it a final official review tomorrow or Monday.

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 FiiO X5 with Colorfly C4 Pro

The FiiO X5 boasts a slightly warmer sound with a darker background than the C4. The frequency ranges are not as split and separated as the C4 is. This isn’t bad as it leads to a more cohesive and ‘consumer’ sound with the X5. The bass on the X5 are also a bit more pronounced, warmer and with more mid punch compared to the C4, but the C4 wins in the quality of the bass. Lastly, the mids on the X5 take a loss in smoothness as the C4 is able to power through challenging areas without any fluctuations in the mids. The C4 also promotes a cleaner mid range with a relatively ‘open’ background around the mid range. The X5 is more of a fun unit than the C4 at a cost of quality, while the C4 boasts quality, but at a loss of punch in its sound.

Overall, the C4, while it excels in almost every way from an audiophile standpoint, is a different device than the X5. The sonic differences between the C4 and X5 were very slight however. Lastly, the neutral sonic signatures are very close in their nature, to the point where I had to isolate certain sections of songs and test albums to get the results I wanted.

 

P.S Sorry for the poor writting skill in this post. This is not an example of my abilities. I've been up all day, and it's almost 3am.

post #1235 of 1895

Mine are just first impressions and these ears are not golden...I really expected to be blown away from the start, but not at of yet. I think there will be a bit of brain burn-in and then I'll know exactly where I stand on the X5. I don't think it sounds bad at all fwiw.

post #1236 of 1895
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It's not good for me, i'm confuse now :confused: 

 

Don't be ;)

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Bowei can you please explain what you meant by your statement above. I just want to make sure I understand (wheel stabilization)?

I meant what Micey said below AND in that the scroll wheel is jiggly. It wiggles

 

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Bowei just became David Bowie !

Yeah, I get that alot

 

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I think he means the sensitivity of the wheel. I find it to be hard to use at times.
The wheel has clicks, and they seem to be very worn down or something. It's in-between being clicky and smooth (more on the smooth side), such that when the wheel is rotated, what you see on the screen doesn't necessarily correspond to what you feel on the wheel (e.g. 3 clicks on the wheel may only correspond to 1 movement/scroll on the screen). Even if the X5 was the best-sounding portable media player on the market, it's useless to me if I can't use it accurately on-the-go. It's the reason why I didn't buy the Teclast T51 back in the day when kiteki was around.
XD
I'm 22, so that may be a factor. I don't know if ssssibilanccccccce is the right word though ssssinccce thosssse ssssoundsss aren'tttt really what causssesss my earssss to be fatttigued.

That, and that it is jiggly as hell

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post #1238 of 1895
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Speaking of golden ears:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/audiophile-workout-philips-golden-ears-training

Forgot to keep doing those 

 

Gotta get my certs :rolleyes:

post #1239 of 1895
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Don't be ;)

I meant what Micey said below AND in that the scroll wheel is jiggly. It wiggles

 

That, and that it is jiggly as hell

 

You guys must have really abused your unit ;).  The wheel on ours definitely had some play - but I wouldn't call it "jiggly".  Mind you - didn't you have your one in pieces?

post #1240 of 1895
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I think he means the sensitivity of the wheel. I find it to be hard to use at times.
The wheel has clicks, and they seem to be very worn down or something. It's in-between being clicky and smooth (more on the smooth side), such that when the wheel is rotated, what you see on the screen doesn't necessarily correspond to what you feel on the wheel (e.g. 3 clicks on the wheel may only correspond to 1 movement/scroll on the screen). Even if the X5 was the best-sounding portable media player on the market, it's useless to me if I can't use it accurately on-the-go. It's the reason why I didn't buy the Teclast T51 back in the day when kiteki was around.
XD
I'm 22, so that may be a factor. I don't know if ssssibilanccccccce is the right word though ssssinccce thosssse ssssoundsss aren'tttt really what causssesss my earssss to be fatttigued.

Ah ok, that's fair. I don't think I paid much attention to the number of clicks. I just scrolled up and down, constantly reversing direction to make sure it works and I find it ok, obviously a different feel than the static click wheel but responsive nonetheless. The big worry I would have is wheel reliability over time. If there is one thing that could be improved is the scroll acceleration which becomes very convenient for longer lists.
post #1241 of 1895
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You guys must have really abused your unit ;).  The wheel on ours definitely had some play - but I wouldn't call it "jiggly".  Mind you - didn't you have your one in pieces?

My mid click was not assembled correctly. That is a known issue.

 

Obviously, it's not extremely jiggly, but I'm a guy that prefers no free-play in his electronics. 

post #1242 of 1895
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Don't be wink.gif
I meant what Micey said below AND in that the scroll wheel is jiggly. It wiggles

That, and that it is jiggly as hell

You guys must have really abused your unit wink.gif .  The wheel on ours definitely had some play - but I wouldn't call it "jiggly".  Mind you - didn't you have your one in pieces?
It's a known issue and I do believe it was reported in the Bugzilla thing(?). The jiggle physics don't help with the user interface. XD

On that note, for people who haven't used the X5, when using an iPod-like scroll wheel, what direction would you move your finger (clockwise or counter-clockwise) to get to the folder icon here?
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post #1243 of 1895

Don't forget the SD covers. If they could implement something like Iriver did it would be much more ideal. I think that was my biggest qualm with the unit. Although the wheel did have some play where I'd skip a track or so at times. Has the firmware been updated on this units vs when I first received it? That makes me wonder if it changes the sonics for the worse?


Edited by lee730 - 2/16/14 at 12:15am
post #1244 of 1895
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Don't forget the SD covers. If they could implement something like Iriver did it would be much more ideal. I think that was my biggest qualm with the unit. Although the wheel did have some play where I'd skip a track or so at times. Has the firmware been updated on this units vs when I first received it? That makes me wonder if it changes the sonics for the worse?
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I'm running 1.0 still.
post #1245 of 1895
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

Don't be wink.gif
I meant what Micey said below AND in that the scroll wheel is jiggly. It wiggles

Yeah, I get that alot

That, and that it is jiggly as hell

Maybe you spent too much time scrolling not enough listening. biggrin.gif

I think you sir is an Olympic athlete in wheel scrolling, like those skaters be careful not to slip slide on the wheel course. tongue.gif
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