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post #1201 of 1895
Warm is like HD650 warm: slightly tilted frequency response clockwise
Strident is what I'm hearing with the upper-midrange/lower-treble region, the lack of dynamics or something

In lieu of trying to stick with a set definition of things, I should have said soft instead of smooth earlier.
http://www.stereophile.com/reference/50/index.html
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strident Unpleasantly shrill, piercing.

warm The same as dark, but less tilted. A certain amount of warmth is a normal part of musical sound.

dark A warm, mellow, excessively rich quality in reproduced sound. The audible effect of a frequency response which is clockwise-tilted across the entire range, so that output diminishes with increasing frequency. Compare "light."

Edited by miceblue - 2/15/14 at 3:52pm
post #1202 of 1895
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Warm is like HD650 warm: slightly tilted frequency response clockwise
Strident is what I'm hearing with the upper-midrange/lower-treble region, the lack of dynamics or something

I would think a lack of dynamics would make it sound recessed in the mid ranges not strident

post #1203 of 1895
By lack of dynamics I mean.

[ s o u n d ] - very well-spaced and I can hear a range of sound from something (say female vocals)
[sound] - very compressed and not natural-sounding; less transparent

When comparing the X5's amp to my other amps, that is the effect I hear: female vocals sound very compressed/lack-of-dynamics and it's painful for my ears.
And yes I'm pretty certain it's the amp section because with the line-out option to other amps, I no longer hear this issue.


Before I edited my last post:
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strident Unpleasantly shrill, piercing.

And that is exactly what I hear with the upper-midrange/lower-treble.
Edited by miceblue - 2/15/14 at 3:58pm
post #1204 of 1895
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

By lack of dynamics I mean.

[ s o u n d ] - very well-spaced and I can hear a range of sound from something (say female vocals)
[sound] - very compressed and not natural-sounding; less transparent

When comparing the X5's amp to my other amps, that is the effect I hear: female vocals sound very compressed/lack-of-dynamics and it's painful for my ears.
And yes I'm pretty certain it's the amp section because with the line-out option to other amps, I no longer hear this issue.


Before I edited my last post:
And that is exactly what I hear with the upper-midrange/lower-treble.

I am not doubting That your description is what you are hearing but it is certainly at odds with all the other reviews I have read on the X5 tour.

I will be looking forward to hearing it once I receive it. I plan to compare it to the X3 and AK120 that I own 

post #1205 of 1895
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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post
 

For listening on the go, sure. I prefer a bit more bass, but I really don't like the soft rolled off treble. It's not rolled off that much so the GR07 BE still sounds pretty sibilant.

 

I don't think I'd ever buy one though because the UI and button layout are much less intuitive than the iPod, IMO. And the lack of playlist support kills it for me, since I have all my music organized by playlist.

Only had it for 2 weeks but i was enjoying it too much to notice any rolled off treble,as for comparing it with an ipod ,i didnt waste my time!I would also say the UI is better than the ipod and the build is far superior.

post #1206 of 1895

Is that a jack in your player, or are you just happy to see me?




:eek:
 

post #1207 of 1895
Looks like a 1/4 inch to 1/8 inch adaptor.
post #1208 of 1895
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Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post

Looks like a 1/4 inch to 1/8 inch adaptor.


I have quite an OCD to this kind of thing. If people look inside a circuit board the female jack is usually only soldered in a few points to my understanding, they're not made to take that kind of strain. The longer a jack is the more leverage it has pulling side ways on the DAP's input. It's a sure recipe for disaster, they're not made to take such weight. You're much better of with a 6.3. to 3.5 cable like Grado sell for their SR series. 

post #1209 of 1895
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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post
 

For listening on the go, sure. I prefer a bit more bass, but I really don't like the soft rolled off treble. It's not rolled off that much so the GR07 BE still sounds pretty sibilant.

 

I don't think I'd ever buy one though because the UI and button layout are much less intuitive than the iPod, IMO. And the lack of playlist support kills it for me, since I have all my music organized by playlist.

Only had it for 2 weeks but i was enjoying it too much to notice any rolled off treble,as for comparing it with an ipod ,i didnt waste my time!I would also say the UI is better than the ipod and the build is far superior.

I'm sorry, I don't really see what you're on about. On my iPod, if I want to pause a song, I can just press the pause button, since the buttons are recessed enough with my case that I don't ever accidentally press them. On the X5, I would either have to unlock the player, wait for the screen to come on, and then pause the music or enable the setting where the play, back, and forward buttons are always on regardless of lock status.  I can't use that though because those buttons are elevated enough that I feel I would hit it all the time when it was in my pocket. 

 

Additionally, if I leave my iPod off for ten minutes, I can press play twice and immediately go back to the song in less than 5 seconds. On the X5, I have to enable a setting that lets me resume the song at the same place, then press and hold the power button and wait for the player to turn on before being able to play music. That probably takes ~30 seconds.

 

Furthermore, the scroll wheel will sometimes jump two options in the menu or not move at all, and the main menu is reversed from what would be intuitive. Want to move the menu clockwise? Rotate your thumb counterclockwise. :blink:

Then, if I remember right, it's normal when scrolling through songs and settings.

 

Finally, regarding the build quality, the upper most quarter or so of the scroll wheel feels like it's rubbing up against the housing, making an annoying squealing noise and reducing the sensitivity of the wheel, which is quite annoying. The center button is also very hard to press along the edges. 

 

Frankly, I can't see how any of these fundamental or cosmetic flaws make the X5 a player that's even close to the iPod's. Then again, I am comparing a consumer oriented device that had tons of revisions, software updates, millions in R&D, and all sorts of other advances to an audiophile focused player. I really think it would've made more sense to just throw Rockbox on here and call it a day though, but that's just my personal opinion. :o 


Edited by mechgamer123 - 2/15/14 at 4:22pm
post #1210 of 1895
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post
 


I have quite an OCD to this kind of thing. If people look inside a circuit board the female jack is usually only soldered in a few points to my understanding, they're not made to take that kind of strain. The longer a jack is the more leverage it has pulling side ways on the DAP's input. It's a sure recipe for disaster, they're not made to take such weight. You're much better of with a 6.3. to 3.5 cable like Grado sell for their SR series. 

Yeah, not much of an adaptor fan but maybe his headphone cable might be terminated to a 1/4 inch plug, so you do need an adaptor to be able to plug it to the X5 HO. I would most likely chop the cable and re-wire to a 1/8 plug instead, I would not be able to live with myself and the 1/4 inch plug. You are right though, short of rewiring the cable, an extension is most likely a better choice.

post #1211 of 1895

Rockbox didnt make the ipod a great player!

post #1212 of 1895
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Originally Posted by cattlethief View Post
 

Rockbox didnt make the ipod a great player!

No, without a doubt it wasn't just rockbox. I don't even use Rockbox on my iPods because I use iPod dock accessories. I still like Rockbox though and think it's a much better base firmware than what a small team of people with limited resources could build on their own.

Then again, I also wonder why router manufacturers waste millions developing stupidly unintuitive firmware for routers instead of just using DD-WRT or OpenWRT or something like that...

post #1213 of 1895
Thread Starter 
What with the resets and firmware updates miceblue and bcarr have put their units through I'm not placing my bets on this one, but I've been asked to remind previewers that there is an equalizer on the X5 and to set it to "Normal" if intending to compare to other players without EQ.

If you know me, you know I'd say have a ball with the EQ, but know and remember what you have done to it...
post #1214 of 1895

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Originally Posted by bcarr112281 View Post

 

I've used dBpoweramp to transfer the content of my CDs directly to FLAC (compression level 8). I'll be sure to try a few .wav files.


I've now used the player to compare uncompressed .wav versions of several FLAC tracks. (Sibelius' Symphony No. 6, Herbert von Karajan/Berlin Philharmonic - catalog no. 457748.) I'm sorry to report that the same problems remain.

 

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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post
 

For listening on the go, sure. I prefer a bit more bass, but I really don't like the soft rolled off treble. It's not rolled off that much so the GR07 BE still sounds pretty sibilant.

 

I find the entire situation extremely disappointing, as the X5 is supposed to be superior to an iPod--it's reputed to be a higher-end device. It would be bad enough if the X5 was only marginally better, but . . .

 

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

By lack of dynamics I mean.

[ s o u n d ] - very well-spaced and I can hear a range of sound from something (say female vocals)
[sound] - very compressed and not natural-sounding; less transparent

When comparing the X5's amp to my other amps, that is the effect I hear: female vocals sound very compressed/lack-of-dynamics and it's painful for my ears.
And yes I'm pretty certain it's the amp section because with the line-out option to other amps, I no longer hear this issue.


Before I edited my last post:

 

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strident Unpleasantly shrill, piercing.

 

And that is exactly what I hear with the upper-midrange/lower-treble.

 

. . . I'm hearing essentially what miceblue is hearing, and I'd never even consider an iPod with these kinds of sonic characteristics. Unfortunately, I can't bypass the amp, as I haven't got another one I can access easily.

 

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Originally Posted by henwell View Post
 

I am not doubting That your description is what you are hearing but it is certainly at odds with all the other reviews I have read on the X5 tour.

 

Well, sir, what about me? :smile:

 

Best regards,

Brian

post #1215 of 1895

Perhaps it's due to the fact that the X5 is delivering something different. Not worse. It comes down to what your reference is.  I find i devices to be flat and lifeless, boring as all get out whilst others swear by them. Like i said... reference point.. 

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