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post #1126 of 1895
Yeah iono. I guess you all can just ignore my impressions then since no one else seems to hear it.

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post #1127 of 1895
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Yeah iono. I guess you all can just ignore my impressions then since no one else seems to hear it.

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What's interesting to me is that you seem to characterize it (from your impressions on the last page) as a dark and congested DAP...that is still bright. Is it a peak in the lower treble that causes this?

 

Not attacking, just curious.

post #1128 of 1895
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Yeah iono. I guess you all can just ignore my impressions then since no one else seems to hear it.

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Hey miceblue, being next in line after you on the US tour, I am very interested in your impressions. Bright is a relative term so it could just be the way you hear it, compared to your preferred sources, or this particular preview model may have an altered signature.

 

If the signature is still in question when it is time to pass the X5 to me, since I am just across the lake from you we can schedule a mini-meet to compare thoughts/notes/sources/HPs. That would also save you postage.

 

However, I can't remember if you had already reloaded the firmware, reset the device, and reformatted the MicroSDs, but that would be my first try to fix an inconsistent signature.

post #1129 of 1895
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post
 

 

I wonder if it's congestion in the trebles area that sounds overwhelming and therefore bright/fatiguing?

 

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I just got back from an Audio Club meet/mini-meet and with the Audio Technica ATH something (I don't remember the exact model name, but it's one of the in-ear earphones) and the owner came to a similar sonic conclusion as me.

I didn't provide any sort of feedback beforehand on how it sounded, so the impressions weren't biased from my impressions. In short: the sub-bass is somewhat rolled-off, mid-bass bumped up, upper-midrange forward and a bit aggressive, midrange as a whole is congested, highest frequencies are rolled off.
 

 

These are serious concerns if true.

 

Ideally, a dap/amp should be neutral/transparent without coloring the signal path, and let the phones dictate whatever sound sig of your choice.

post #1130 of 1895
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I just got back from an Audio Club meet/mini-meet and with the Audio Technica ATH something (I don't remember the exact model name, but it's one of the in-ear earphones) and the owner came to a similar sonic conclusion as me.

I didn't provide any sort of feedback beforehand on how it sounded, so the impressions weren't biased from my impressions. In short: the sub-bass is somewhat rolled-off, mid-bass bumped up, upper-midrange forward and a bit aggressive, midrange as a whole is congested, highest frequencies are rolled off.
 

 

Well Audio Technica's house sound has forward mids to be fair.

post #1131 of 1895
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These are serious concerns if true.

 

Ideally, a dap/amp should be neutral/transparent without coloring the signal path, and let the phones dictate whatever sound sig of your choice.

 

Emphasised the important bit.

 

A lot of my testing was with 2 pretty neutral headphones - HD600 and DT880.  Neither exhibited what MiceBlue was saying about his unit.

 

Most testers (at least those who have reported in so far) are saying - neutral with a slight touch of warmth.  One person is saying bright with freq response all over the place.  Could be that unit ...... or the rest of us might be all wrong ...... ;) 

post #1132 of 1895

Want to have an important thing to add to reviewers.

 

Make sure your EQ was off when doing comparison or something. Many of you like EQ's and the X5's multi band customizable one. Just remember to turn it off when doing the real review.

 

I wrote a short impression comparison draft with C4 and X5 before I realized the X5 had EQ turned on by accident. 

post #1133 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

Emphasised the important bit.

 

A lot of my testing was with 2 pretty neutral headphones - HD600 and DT880.  Neither exhibited what MiceBlue was saying about his unit.

 

Most testers (at least those who have reported in so far) are saying - neutral with a slight touch of warmth.  One person is saying bright with freq response all over the place.  Could be that unit ...... or the rest of us might be all wrong ...... ;) 

 

It can't be that unit as that same unit has already been reviewed by others, correct? Maybe the burn-in's have finally kicked in ? :wink_face:

 

What's your take on AnakChan's comment " ... congestion in the trebles area that sounds overwhelming ..."?


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post #1134 of 1895
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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post
 

 

It can't be that unit as that same unit has already been reviewed by others, correct?

 

What's your take on AnakChan's comment " ... congestion in the trebles area that sounds overwhelming ..."?

 

Don't know - not sure how many X5's were sent for the US tour.  You'd have to ask MiceBlue who he got it from.  If it was the same unit Lee got - then definitely it doesn't make sense.

 

Might pay you to actually quote AnakChan's entire quote (ie get the context right).  What he actually said was:

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 I wonder if it's congestion in the trebles area that sounds overwhelming and therefore bright/fatiguing?

 

And what he was replying to was MiceBlue's assertion that the X5 was bright / sibilant.  AFAIK AnakChan wasn't suggesting the X5 was congested in the treble .......

 

I'd also suggest congestion in the treble would be more of a fault with the headphones than the DAP.  But what do I know - I just tested it with a couple of really neutral phones so I could get a good read on it's signature ;) ,

 

Lastly - this sounds just a little 'strange' to me

 

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 In short: the sub-bass is somewhat rolled-off, mid-bass bumped up, upper-midrange forward and a bit aggressive, midrange as a whole is congested, highest frequencies are rolled off.

 

I know sibilance can occur from around 4-10KHz, but generally accepted to mostly inhabit 6-8Khz.  If high frequencies are rolled off, that doesn't quite gel with the idea of sibilance (although maybe so re the comment on upper mid-range forward).  Anyway - before anyone reads too much into it, I'd like to know what headphones MiceBlue was using, what music he was listening to, and if he is naturally treble sensitive.  The descriptions he made about the X5 are not consistent with any other reviewer so far, and to me indicate colouration of headphones rather than an actual DAP.

post #1135 of 1895

I don't doubt what miceblue is hearing but the question is why. I suspect it may not be the unit and some synergy with what he's accustomed to. I've always found the classic/series kinda washed out and soft/diffused sounding. Doesn't speak to his home rig but things may be optimized for the result he likes. It's very easy to choose kit players and cables etc. for a particular result and I'm not saying anything is done wrong. We all go for a result.

 

 Could just be a duff unit as well. Happens to everyone. Nothing to freak about either way. Perhaps the 2 units in the US should cross paths at some point to see what's up. I suspect it's a fresh sample because he's not on the original preview list. 

post #1136 of 1895

Even though I don't find the X5 to be congested, I can understand that opinion. The X5 has a thicker, one might even say lusher, sound. That might sound congested to someone depending on their tastes.

 

The bright part I do not understand. The X5 tames the brightness of the Kaede. Its treble is not remotely harsh in my view.

post #1137 of 1895
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

 AFAIK AnakChan wasn't suggesting the X5 was congested in the treble .......

 

 

Perhaps AnakChan can elaborate more on that so we don't have to speculate on what he exactly meant.

 

 

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Even though I don't find the X5 to be congested, I can understand that opinion. The X5 has a thicker, one might even say lusher, sound. That might sound congested to someone depending on their tastes.

 

The bright part I do not understand. The X5 tames the brightness of the Kaede. Its treble is not remotely harsh in my view.

 

In my opinion, congestion often translates into some muddiness. If there is no muddiness, I don't consider it to be congested.

 

Muddy sounding simply kills music enjoyment, and I am very sensitive to that. 

post #1138 of 1895

^ I don't find the X5 to be at all muddy. Actually it's quite a detail monster.

post #1139 of 1895

I stressed the treble using C435 (bright ciem) with silver cable listening to Julie Lezhneva (Russian soprano) 's Alleluia album

Actually, I find the X5 handles the treble really well... not overly bright nor harsh...

post #1140 of 1895
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post
 

^ I don't find the X5 to be at all muddy. Actually it's quite a detail monster.



Same. Wonder if his unit is broken? This is comparing it to my $1000+ rig and it is in no way muddy or congested. The X5 actually has a good amount of depth to its sound. Its presentation reminds me of the SE5.

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