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Poll Results: Reccomend a headphone

 
  • 37% (6)
    Fidelio X1
  • 18% (3)
    V-Moda M-100
  • 25% (4)
    HE-400
  • 18% (3)
    HE-500
16 Total Votes  
post #16 of 34
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Originally Posted by rubinstein View Post
 


both are great phones. you need an amp for HE 400.

luckily for OP a $500 budget can net you both a HE400 + a nice entry-level amp/dac :)

post #17 of 34
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 

luckily for OP a $500 budget can net you both a HE400 + a nice entry-level amp/dac :)

 

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Originally Posted by rubinstein View Post
 


both are great phones. you need an amp for HE 400.

 

 

I think he would enjoy the X1 more, the HE 400 is better, but it's also heavier and not nearly as comfortable as the X1, that and the HE 400 again scales better with higher powered amps and upper level dacs

 

I'm really a fan of starting low and working up, the X1 is a very well reivewed headphone and it's easier to appreciate, the HE 400 sounds a little funny. It has a BIG dip in the upper mids that some ppl find unnatrual, that being said the X1 is a better starting headphone. I had my HE 400 for a month and eventually sold it! I was glad I got to hear it, and I had 2 other headphones to compare it to and enjoy. For a first headphone the HE 400 isn't a bad idea... but I think the X1 would be better. It has a friendly sound signiture, is easier to amp and is comfortable. The HE 400 and HE 500 are more enjoyable when amped properly and when you've got the cash to throw into some mods for the Pads, or new pads! At the end of the day, I paid $500 for my HE 400, that included a Balanced Toxic Cable and J$ ePads. Which imo in that set up the HE 400 REALLY shined, and even at it's best... I didn't like it. It was GREAT for edm but... that was it really... 

 

still OP your mileage may vary :3, I'd go X1 though. A little cheaper, easier to amp and you can take those savings and not have to eat ramen for a month ;3 


Edited by Mshenay - 12/22/13 at 10:27pm
post #18 of 34

hahaha @Mshenay, obviously you didn't hear the V-Moda M100 or LP (slash other bass-monster headphones) if you say that the HE400 is only good for EDM.

 

I got the he400 for $300 and at that kinda price, hands-down there's no other choice. I'm sure the X1 is a nice pair of cans too tho, so I don't think OP can go wrong w/ either.

post #19 of 34
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 

hahaha @Mshenay, obviously you didn't hear the V-Moda M100 or LP (slash other bass-monster headphones) if you say that the HE400 is only good for EDM.

 

I got the he400 for $300 and at that kinda price, hands-down there's no other choice. I'm sure the X1 is a nice pair of cans too tho, so I don't think OP can go wrong w/ either.

For my tastes the HE 400 was only good for EDM, compared to my DT 880 and W1000x it was lack luster in every genre outside of EDM 

 

And no I have not heard the M100, how ever I used to own a CSony XB700... yea that's +20dbs of SUB bass without eq! So I know my what a BASS head can sounds like, and I don't like them as much any more. That said the big dip in the central and upper mids of the HE 400 was not to my liking with genres outside EDM

 

Now taht said, the X1 [I haven't heard] is reviewing as a very friendly headphone, meaning no big DIPS or bulges. It's a safe warm headphone, the HE 400 while very good has a unique sound :3

post #20 of 34
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

For my tastes the HE 400 was only good for EDM, compared to my DT 880 and W1000x it was lack luster in every genre outside of EDM 

 

And no I have not heard the M100, how ever I used to own a CSony XB700... yea that's +20dbs of SUB bass without eq! So I know my what a BASS head can sounds like, and I don't like them as much any more. That said the big dip in the central and upper mids of the HE 400 was not to my liking with genres outside EDM

 

Now taht said, the X1 [I haven't heard] is reviewing as a very friendly headphone, meaning no big DIPS or bulges. It's a safe warm headphone, the HE 400 while very good has a unique sound :3

hahaha i've never got a chance to listen to any beyers & the W1000x series. the he400 does have some solid quality bass with great texture & extension that i def appreciate & they seemed decently balanced compared the neutral AKG k550 (with better basss!!!! heh). i am really loving the detail, clarity, and sound stage of the he400. simply sublime! i found em solid for all genres.

 

haven't heard the x1 so i can't comment on that

 

ymmv tho! :)

post #21 of 34
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

 

 

 

I think he would enjoy the X1 more, the HE 400 is better, but it's also heavier and not nearly as comfortable as the X1, that and the HE 400 again scales better with higher powered amps and upper level dacs

 

I'm really a fan of starting low and working up, the X1 is a very well reivewed headphone and it's easier to appreciate, the HE 400 sounds a little funny. It has a BIG dip in the upper mids that some ppl find unnatrual, that being said the X1 is a better starting headphone. I had my HE 400 for a month and eventually sold it! I was glad I got to hear it, and I had 2 other headphones to compare it to and enjoy. For a first headphone the HE 400 isn't a bad idea... but I think the X1 would be better. It has a friendly sound signiture, is easier to amp and is comfortable. The HE 400 and HE 500 are more enjoyable when amped properly and when you've got the cash to throw into some mods for the Pads, or new pads! At the end of the day, I paid $500 for my HE 400, that included a Balanced Toxic Cable and J$ ePads. Which imo in that set up the HE 400 REALLY shined, and even at it's best... I didn't like it. It was GREAT for edm but... that was it really... 

 

still OP your mileage may vary :3, I'd go X1 though. A little cheaper, easier to amp and you can take those savings and not have to eat ramen for a month ;3 


I ordered audio GD 15.32 for powering HE 400.

post #22 of 34
Oh nice. It should wrk nicely!
post #23 of 34
Thread Starter 

Wow the X1, HE 400 and HE 500 are all tied in the polls

post #24 of 34
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Originally Posted by neodenjin View Post
 

Wow the X1, HE 400 and HE 500 are all tied in the polls

if price & portability is not a concern, i don't see why OP wouldn't just get the he500. they are obviously the best quality headphones on the list.

 

he-400 if you can't afford the he-500 but still want the best sound quality for your dollar (or want a darker sound signature maybe? lol)

 

phillips x1 if you don't mind seeing their price drop down from $300 to $200ish or less within the next 6 months or so. (why you ask? the phillips L1 & M1 has both already dropped $100 and the downtown/uptown already dropped $50) kinda flavor of the month in my personal opinion. you see a lot of new releases quickly lose their value as the current headphone market is quite competitive. you heard it here first.


Edited by money4me247 - 12/25/13 at 9:21am
post #25 of 34
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 

if price & portability is not a concern, i don't see why OP wouldn't just get the he500. they are obviously the best quality headphones on the list.

 

he-400 if you can't afford the he-500 but still want the best sound quality for your dollar (or want a darker sound signature maybe? lol)

 

phillips x1 if you don't mind seeing their price drop down from $300 to $200ish or less within the next 6 months or so. (why you ask? the phillips L1 & M1 has both already dropped $100 and the downtown/uptown already dropped $50) kinda flavor of the month in my personal opinion. you see a lot of new releases quickly lose their value as the current headphone market is quite competitive. you heard it here first.

The HE 400 and HE 500 ESPICALLY the HE 500 need an amp. The X1 can be driven without an amp. Orthodynamics are harder to drive properly than Dynamic Headphones are, granted he can get a HE 400 and it will reach an acceptable volume but the quality will sub optimal. For the same price he can get a headphone that doesn't need amplification and make better use of it. 

 

Headphones are tools, they accomplish a means to an end. The end is enjoyable music, there is a little more work involved in getting the most out of an HE 400, and even more required to get the best out of an HE 500. There is no point in getting a headphone, paying the price for a nice headphone, if you don't have the means to fully utilize it. With the X1 newly on the market it's a great introductory headphone, Sounds good is VERY comfortable and is easier to drive.

 

The HE 400 and HE 500 are by far better headphones, but lack in comfort and require nice'r dacs and amps to get the best out of them. There's no reason to spend the money on the HE 400 when OP doesn't have the means to drive it properly. He would enjoy the X1 just as much, and he would pay less for it and not need an amp or a quality dac. Not to mention, he could sell his X1 for about %75 of what he paid for it. Meaning if he decides he wants to upgrade to an HE 400 or HE 500 he could with much trouble. 

 

And the HE 500 are the best quality but are the hardest to drive, heck if he wants the BEST have him get an HE 4! Hands down one of the BEST headphones for $400... oh wait it needs a powerful amp to drive it... you see my point there. Headphones are reflective of what's behind them, 

 

Needless to say, both are good options. In addition Money4Me and I view headphones or rather gear a little differently. Wheater you choose to get a TOTL Headphone right out of the gate, or choose to work your way up, the end goal is the same! 

post #26 of 34
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

 

 

He 400 will not respond well to 128 kbps lossy. It is a brighter headphone to it will bring out the High frequancy cut off shelf that comes with lossy

 

I would recommend that if you get the HE 400 you try to upgrad your music source to at least mp3 V0 or 320kbs mp3. Other wise I do recommend the X1 as it's much more forgiving of lossy music. 

like he said the HE-400 is pretty unforgiving when it comes to bad music files (128kbps). 

 

i think the X1 is your best bet. 

post #27 of 34

@Mshenay, mmm yup, I disagree with some of your points. OP already has a Fiio e17 & does not require portability. the he400 is actually quite easy to drive (it has a low impedance of 35ohms), and a e17 will be adequate to drive the he400. yes, a nicer amp may scale up the sound quality even more, but the he400 actually works quite well with cheap amps. the headphones determine the sound quality much much more than the amp. it's much easier to simply get nice headphones now & upgrade your amp later if desired, than having to upgrade your headphones & amp in the future if you want sound quality improvements.

 

there are users here at head-fi that say the e17 pairs well with the he400: http://www.head-fi.org/t/604583/hifiman-he-400-impressions-and-discussion-thread/975#post_8758239. of course, there are other people who prefer higher-end dac/amps with the he400, but everyone has different preferences. it just shows that the e17 is adequate to drive the he400 AND that the he he400 will scale up better with higher-end equipment (if OP upgrades his equipment in the future). that is actually  giant plus IMO, the ability for gear to scale up well. here is a very nice review of the he400: http://headfonics.com/2012/02/hifiman-he400-a-planar-headphone-for-the-masses/

 

yes, if you get a he400, you will definitely want to upgrade your source files to 320kbps. you can definitely notice improvement in sound quality with this easy free fix. i've listened to 192kbps songs on the he400 and they sound good as well. it's just that the he400 have the resolution to pick up on some of the juicy details at 320kbps that other headphones may not. i think that's also a great plus.

 

the way I view it is that there are many great open choices on the market now (such as the q701/k701/dt990s/hd600/hd650). it doesn't make sense to me to get a less-technically-capable pair of headphones (tho I am sure that the X1 sounds great) if your budget can get one of the best options at this price range that can compete with even higher-end headphones. basically, if you spend an extra $100 now, you will have maxed out the sonic quality available for your money and you have upgraded as much as you can w/o having to spend double the amount of money. His $500 budget can easily cover a HE-400 and a nice $100 amp (such as the magni). I don't think the HE-400 is top of the line, but it has sound quality very close to top of the line without a top of the line price tag (think HE-500 at $700, HE-6 at $1,200, LCD-2 $1,200, etc).

 

from my perspective, the x1 is simply another open pair of headphones in a very crowded & competitive market. it's price will definitely drop down to $200 in the near future, so why buy it now at $300 now? You need to also consider this eventual price drop if you are just planning to get the X1 for a while & reselling it. Here is a great positive review of the X1 I found with some comparisons: http://www.head-fi.org/t/670318/philips-fidelio-x1-review-comparison

 

It's funny how for other market niches, you will never be recommend getting a lesser product with the idea of reselling it & upgrading in the future. if your car shopping, you simply get the best car that your budget allows for. it actually ends up much cheaper to simply get one of those best-in-class performance headphones for your price bracket rather than buying an cheaper alternative and then upgrading in the future. i think that buying with the intention of selling & upgrading is the reason why so many head-fi-ers here have spend so much money on equipment.

 

that is my personal opinion & of course, feel free to disagree. he can't really go wrong with any of the headphones on his short list, and he will most likely really enjoy whatever he gets. i'm just talking from a value:dollar perspective, and I think maximizing your sonic performance on great headphones with a good performance-to-price ratio is never a bad idea.

 

EDIT: note that the DT-880 pro is going for $196.68 and the Q701 is going for $199.99 right now on amazon!!! source: deals thread :)


Edited by money4me247 - 12/25/13 at 9:03pm
post #28 of 34
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post

 

yes, if you get a he400, you will definitely want to upgrade your source files to 320kbps. you can definitely notice improvement in sound quality with this easy free fix. i've listened to 192kbps songs on the he400 and they sound good as well. it's just that the he400 have the resolution to pick up on some of the juicy details at 320kbps that other headphones may not. i think that's also a great plus.

 

 

 

 

The problem is that the OP doesn't want to upgrade to higher bit rate files, that is why the X1 is better for his current situation.

 

if the OP is going to get FLAC or ALAC files then i'm sure everyone here will agree that the HE-400 is the better headphone within the OP's budget. 

post #29 of 34
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Originally Posted by Ginron View Post
 

The problem is that the OP doesn't want to upgrade to higher bit rate files, that is why the X1 is better for his current situation.

 

if the OP is going to get FLAC or ALAC files then i'm sure everyone here will agree that the HE-400 is the better headphone within the OP's budget. 

lol OP never said that. Don't need FLAC, 320kbps is fine imo hahah. I use the HE-400 on youtube & it sounds great. You just get extra detail if you use nicer sources. sidenote: omg please NEVER rip music from youtube... your music will sound like crappp. if someone hypothetically was do to a simple "save target as" search for music & that imaginary someone can usually find 192kbps+ sources.

 

actually, rereading OP's post, I think he would actually get more sound quality improvements simply getting a better source music than buying a new pair of headphones lol. there is a significant jump from 128kbps to 192kbps... and you can tell a big difference going up to 320kbps if you have decent headphones. Edit: The M50s are pretty decent, you should be able to notice the improvements. In fact the source files has a bigger impact on sound quality than the headphones.


Edited by money4me247 - 12/25/13 at 10:03pm
post #30 of 34
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Originally Posted by neodenjin View Post
 

 

I listen to mostly hip hop and rap.  Don't need them to be portable.  They will be driven from a fiio e17 or just an iphone/laptop.  My sources aren't that great (128KB mp3 or even youtube)

 

Listening to the HE 400 through u tube with an E17... is not optimal q.q if your not noticing the artifacts or the compressed highs... again the X1 would be a better choice. The HE 400 is by far better, but why waste it's potential on youtube, not only wasted potential but it very plainly presents the upper frequancy shelf that exists in you tube.

 

although that is a very good point about the eventual drop in price of the X1! There is also the L1 

 

and while you can easily get volume with the HE 400 out of the E17 it lacks the current needed to again push the headphone to the quality that set's it above the X1. Under Amped the HE 400 is pretty much a bulky cumbersome X1, how ever with sufficent ampage and a nice dac it's a step above the X1 and DT 990 as well as a few others 

 

But again, good point about the X1's eventual price drop. Hey guys... how about the Sony MA 900? Some say it's the poor mans HD 600. Is not the HD 600 a warm headphone? 

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