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post #166 of 1340

 

I will try my best to help here: 

 

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Originally Posted by Sauntere View Post
 

Just how good is the bass quality on these ?  How well do the handle upright bass ? When listening to techno and house does the bass have that sense of propulsion that makes the rythme infectious ?

 

The bass on these are best described as "neutral" or "natural", they have plenty of sub bass extension, and extremely high quality of bass, but in some sense they don't posses as powerful a "slam" or impact as other bass oriented IEMs (JVC/Fitear/etc). They will not lack bass when compared to a neutral sounding earphone (GR07/Etymotics), and these are definitely not bass lean. When compared to my TH600's (which can definitely contend with the best for bass quality and QUANTITY) they lack the raw impact and weight of bass lines that the TH600 are capable of, but then again the TH600's are more of an audiophile's "U" shape signature and the DITA's are a flat line (in my mind). 

 

If you'd like a more specific comparison just PM me and I will be glad to head down to my local shop for more headphone testing :D 

 

With jazz vocals and female vocals in general how engaging are they and how detailed ?

 

With details, female vocals, and jazz music, the DITA will both satisfy and impress, these IEM's excel at all of these, but I will say now that that without the proper tips, the treble can get a little sibilant, but not something you'll notice on jazz instruments, mainly on very high pitched female vocals(though infrequently) and the odd male voice. Details are maddening in a good way on the DITA, picking apart the songs analytically is wonderfully easy to do with the DITA, they're detail freaks, but in a very good way, not cold and analytical, but rather they're so transparent and natural in presentation that you will inevitably hear all the details the track has to offer, both good and bad. 

 

Also, where are you guys buying from ? Through the vagaries of international currency rates at the moment they can be bought from Japan for about $844 AUD delivered. Is there any danger in buying through Fujiya Avic ?  Hmmm tried ordering but it seems more complicated that at first glance.... back to DITA website.

 

For me, a local Singaporean I managed to get them at around S$629, with the Truth version available at S$999, from a local distributor. That converts to about $540 and $860 AUD respectively, but who knows how much shipping can cost you. Buying straight from the DITA sight would be the best bet though, less hands to pass through, less to go wrong.

 

For those of you with enough experience, How do these compare to other top of the line IEMs ? I am mainly interested in a neutral signature and looking for refinement, sound stage, layering, all the usual hifi requirements.

 

I have the unique pleasure to live in Singapore, a place filled with lovely little headphone/ hi-fi stores, and have listed to pretty much everything, from the SR009's to the LCD-X to the TH900 to the Fitear 335s, JH Roxannes, etc... Pretty much any headphone you could want to demo is available somewhere in the city and I've had the good fortune to be able to try all of these (:D), and I can say that the DITA phones are easily up there with the best of the best. 

 

As someone else said somewhere along this thread, they sound a tad bit like the STAX house sound, that is to say lacking the magical electrostat mids, as well as the innate large soundstage that is characteristic of over the ear open headphones. There is nothing in particular in the frequency range of these phones that jump out at me, except the exceptional detail retrieval and transparency (I mean transparency, not perceived clarity due to a heightened treble, you can hear the singers licking their lips in between words), the level of detail is simply astounding, and the more I listen the more I love these IEMs for that. I can understand why Audionewbi compared them to the Etymotics, they are very, very detailed, much like the dear old ER4S. That said, unlike the ER4S which can be rather cold, the way the details are presented to you in the DITA are very different; In the DITA, these micro details are there for you to pick out, you just have to pay just a bit more attention, but when just listening the music is just so natural that it draws you straight into the music, and you forget the details, something in common with the SR009's when I demoed them for the first time. These are very near to a flat line in sound signature (at least the Answer version, the Truth I felt was more of a very slight U), and should satisfy any non-basshead. Treble is nice and airy, and extends very smoothly all the way past the human hearing limit, no severe peaking or sharpness (to my ears, but I enjoy a brighter sound). 

 

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PRESS! (kidding, $999 is quite a lot of dosh, do think it through a little especially if you're looking for more bass, the Truth is a little more bassy than the standard Answer, but please don't feel like you're missing out on a whole different level of sound by getting the Answer, after trying the both honestly they're pretty much identical except for very very minor differences and a fancy cable.)

 Hope this helps!

post #167 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Noobmachine View Post
 

 Hope this helps!

 

Thank you very very much. That is a fabulous ANSWER so thank you for going to so much trouble with your reply.

 

It's done...ordered... Anticipation now begins.

 

Thanks again.

post #168 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Sauntere View Post

Just how good is the bass quality on these ?  How well do the handle upright bass ? When listening to techno and house does the bass have that sense of propulsion that makes the rythme infectious ?

With jazz vocals and female vocals in general how engaging are they and how detailed ?

Also, where are you guys buying from ? Through the vagaries of international currency rates at the moment they can be bought from Japan for about $844 AUD delivered. Is there any danger in buying through Fujiya Avic ?  Hmmm tried ordering but it seems more complicated that at first glance.... back to DITA website.

For those of you with enough experience, How do these compare to other top of the line IEMs ? I am mainly interested in a neutral signature and looking for refinement, sound stage, layering, all the usual hifi requirements.


Finger poised over images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGCBDez0e-hu5ixygWQN9N3T7qP2gy0i6A-Zh_MnbcBadR_mn5 

I was listening to a playlist of hiphop songs that require bass - Chris Brown, Drake, Usher, etc - and the bass response is really good and pulls you into the music. It's also a really well defined kind of bass especially if it's produced by live drums. I say this with the 846 as my reference. The bass response on the 846 was simply amazing but overwhelming and fatiguing for me. I currently also use the hd600s which have less bass than the Ditas.

As for female vocals, and vocals in general, I'd say these are the Dita's forte. They are really quite good and very very detailed. Coming from the w4rs and asg2s, these are presented differently but just as well. I'd say realism characterizes the w4r, engagement with music the ASGs and texture/detail for the DITAs. The upper mids can get slightly sibilant on some tracks.

I'm quite a fan of soundstage and although not apparent on first listen, the soundstage perceived after brain burn in is quite amazing. Slightly less than that of the ASG2s, but still really good. Definitely better than the westones/846.

I got these in SG at their introductory price of SGD 629. But if I'm not wrong the introductory phase has ended/will be ending soon resulting in a price increase.
post #169 of 1340

Thank you christrz, i feel even happier about having pressed the button.

 

I am pretty sensitive to sibilance so that is a concern  but from what i have read the correct tip selection can overcome that.

post #170 of 1340
All I know the disappointing factor if this IEM have been the lowest out of all my purchases, once you get to experience it the sound will leave you wanting for more.
post #171 of 1340
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

All I know the disappointing factor if this IEM have been the lowest out of all my purchases, once you get to experience it the sound will leave you wanting for more.

 

I have been hesitating about buying a top tier IEM for a while but i think i have made the correct choice with this.

post #172 of 1340
I hope and know you did. Long live dynamic driver iem, can't wait to hear ditas headphone.
post #173 of 1340

@Sauntere What will you be using them with? I put them on par, detail-wise, with my FitEar Parterres. They are both a bit behind my UERMs and the Roxannes. I need to use the AK240 and very high quality recordings to really notice though. 

 

The overall signature of them has mid-bass which is a touch strong and intrudes a little, but being a single dynamic driver the quality of it is excellent. The treble peak is best suited to jazz and classical and I find it a bit hot on modern music. Experimenting with tips is important here. 

 

They NEED a lot of burn-in (which is ironic as Van Den Hul's 3T cables, which the Truth is based upon) need only 48 hours at most.

 

The fit is shallow, due to their design, so a few people with unusual ears (very small outer ear or people who need a deep insert) may have issues with them. The Truth cable is completely silent though the outer coating is very rubbery, which can be a little irritating as it holds a memory of how it has been wound after a while (but that can be fixed with a hair drier and some patience). The cable is better behaved than a regular cable in other respects -- less likely to fail, for example, due to the materials used in the design.

post #174 of 1340

I've had the Truth Edition for awhile, and coming from the multi-driver TG!334s I must say that single dynamic driver IEMs are a real coherency treat.

It's sound signature is right up my alley too, which is nice.

They've only got about 350+hours on them so far (about 100+ more away from the advised 500 hours), am looking forward to more improvements.

post #175 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
 

@Sauntere What will you be using them with? I put them on par, detail-wise, with my FitEar Parterres. They are both a bit behind my UERMs and the Roxannes. I need to use the AK240 and very high quality recordings to really notice though. 

 

The overall signature of them has mid-bass which is a touch strong and intrudes a little, but being a single dynamic driver the quality of it is excellent. The treble peak is best suited to jazz and classical and I find it a bit hot on modern music. Experimenting with tips is important here. 

 

They NEED a lot of burn-in (which is ironic as Van Den Hul's 3T cables, which the Truth is based upon) need only 48 hours at most.

 

The fit is shallow, due to their design, so a few people with unusual ears (very small outer ear or people who need a deep insert) may have issues with them. The Truth cable is completely silent though the outer coating is very rubbery, which can be a little irritating as it holds a memory of how it has been wound after a while (but that can be fixed with a hair drier and some patience). The cable is better behaved than a regular cable in other respects -- less likely to fail, for example, due to the materials used in the design.

 

Thanks for your input.

 

Well for the moment i will be using a Hisound Studio V 3rd Anniversary but that will change as soon as i can get my hands on the Calyx M. I know the Studio 3rd is probably not good enough for any TOTL IEM. If i don't get the M for some reason (like it gets terrible reviews) then i may go for a AK240 although i don't want to have to based on price.

 

I actually considered a Universal Roxanne or some time and got really close to buying. It seems to have a good rep for sound quality on these forums. I checked out a few other sites though and read quite mixed reviews, some saying it was not very good at all. I think the terms muddy and dark were used. At least i got the impression they are from natural or neutral sounding.

 

I have a pair of Noble 4s which are of a reasonable size and i have managed to get a decent fit with them so i reckon the DITA will be ok.


Edited by Sauntere - 4/26/14 at 8:24am
post #176 of 1340

I am happy to report that out of my portable amp Objective 2 pairs best with Dita. 

 

Currently running objective 2 and HUGO and comparing TH900 and Dita truth edition and Dita combo keeps me much more happy. I will admit that I like IEM more than headphone (I know crazy). And darn dita truth made it very hard for me to listen to my other IEM. 

The only thing that I like in my other IEM is ER4S which still has the best treble out of all my gears ( to my ears). 

 

Now my focus is to built a setup around dita truh and slowly sale of my other gears.

 

Out of my DAPS I like to pair dita with colorfly C4. I am neutral on AK120 pairing, to my amusment I like ipod nano 7G pairing with dita much more than AK120. Infact that is what I use for my portable needs with dita.
I've been using dita on daily basis ever since I've got them for my outdoor travels. So far everything about it remained incredibly durable. 

post #177 of 1340
Thread Starter 
I found it paired quite well with my touch 5G.


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My thoughts as well. How did you do the hairdryer thing? Does it last?
My DITA are not a for sale version/so there are minor, very minor quirks. I have a bit of the coiling motion going on.

I also have small outer ears and need a deep fit.
post #178 of 1340
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Originally Posted by ExpatinJapan View Post

I found it paired quite well with my touch 5G.


My thoughts as well. How did you do the hairdryer thing? Does it last?
My DITA are not a for sale version/so there are minor, very minor quirks. I have a bit of the coiling motion going on.

I also have small outer ears and need a deep fit.

 

If you can get them hot enough, yes, whatever shape you get them into holds fast indefinitely. 

post #179 of 1340
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the quick reply Currawong!

post #180 of 1340
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Originally Posted by theThirty3rd View Post

I've had the Truth Edition for awhile, and coming from the multi-driver TG!334s I must say that single dynamic driver IEMs are a real coherency treat.
It's sound signature is right up my alley too, which is nice.
They've only got about 350+hours on them so far (about 100+ more away from the advised 500 hours), am looking forward to more improvements.
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