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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Hey guys,

 

I have a little bedroom-studio mixing/recording my music, with a pair of Fostex PM0.5 as my near field monitor, and an AKG K240s for some more detailed recording. I mainly do synthesizer and electric guitar recording. Recently, I feel like I need a closed back headphone to clear out some noise direct from my heating system (which is a consistent bass humming). Also, for some reason, I think the K240s provides a lot of well balanced details, but was not able to stands out the treble and bass correctly (while recording). I mean, they are perfect when I use it to mix, but the characteristic of the sound biased compare to the segments I recorded with my PM0.5. I know that doesn't even make sense, but that bothers me and I cannot use my K240s to create a more accurate recording for the very same reason. So I'm basically looking for something,

 

1. Around $200, I don't mind to buy something less than $100, but not looking for something more than $300

2. Closed back

3. Mainly for recording/tracking, I don't ask for a well-balanced or neutral headphone for mixing. But looking for a headphone that stands out every single frequency. I want bass, treble, and mid. If the frequency is a little biased, it's fine.

4. work okay without a stellar DAC or amp

 

Some closed back I tried:

Beyerdynamic DT770: I like the dry and tight treble and mid, but not sure if he got enough detail

ATH M50: A little bit muddy, I tried some ATHs and most of them get a similar impression for me

Sony MDR7506: I was sort of overwhelmed by the mid, but this one were actually close to what I was thinking about, but totally not impressed with the details.

 

The one I absolutely don't want is something like K601. It's a wonderful headphone, but I had a hard time with the spacey sound without a proper amp.

 

Any ideas? Thanks in advance :gs1000smile: 

post #2 of 14

I was very impressed with KRK KNS8400 ($120-150).

 

There's one problem you need to know about immediately. The detachable stock cable picks up a lot of noise and transmits it to the left earcup, so you have to be willing to replace it. A minor quibble is that the treble is a little bright, but that can be modded too with some cotton balls or maybe soft foam.

 

I think it's worth the trouble if you're using it for work. I could hear a lot of details that eluded even the very good mid-priced open models. It's one of the more open sounding other closed models. Isolation is certainly adequate. Comfort is definitely above average because of the light headband and memory foam earpads.

 

Good luck.


Edited by Claritas - 12/17/13 at 10:51pm
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks Claritas, I don't mind to play around with the cords if that improves a lot! (I used to customize bunch of different cords for my K240s). 

post #4 of 14
K550 would be a second choice, based on reviews that describe it as clear and open sounding. It's highly regarded for that sort of work, but I don't know more about it than that. Be aware that you might not be able to get a good seal with the large earcups if you have a small head, resulting in an imbalanced response due to loss of bass.
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 

That's interesting, I'll try the K550 before I make up my mind. After couple days of reading reviews on the internet, I was also thinking about Beyerdynamic DT770M, which probably be a preferable pair against the noises. Just not sure how it fit for a guitar recording instead of drums and FOH situation. By the way, I mic my guitars with a moderate volume. Good isolation certainly helps a lot. 

post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by kendominance View Post
 

That's interesting, I'll try the K550 before I make up my mind. After couple days of reading reviews on the internet, I was also thinking about Beyerdynamic DT770M, which probably be a preferable pair against the noises. Just not sure how it fit for a guitar recording instead of drums and FOH situation. By the way, I mic my guitars with a moderate volume. Good isolation certainly helps a lot. 

 

I met a guy who uses DT770 for his band, but he's a drummer. Please let us know what you think.

post #7 of 14

The KNS-8400 are pretty accurate but bass response is weak to my ears. You can do better with the SRH840

post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by formula1 View Post
 

The KNS-8400 are pretty accurate but bass response is weak to my ears. You can do better with the SRH840

 

I agree that KS8400 doesn't have a very strong bass, but it's very noticeably more resolving. So I prefer KNS8400 for studio work and SRH840 for general listening.


Edited by Claritas - 12/18/13 at 10:20pm
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 

I tried SRH850 long time ago. The only reason I didn't bought it (got a K240s instead) was because it's simply too bulky! I had a small head :D, and even K240s is sort of making my neck painful after a 2 - 3 hour session (and I don't even wear them all the time, I switch to my monitor back and forth). And that's the very reason I didn't even listed here. But I totally agree that SRH850 is a work horse and I sort of like the bass. I read some reviews and who enjoy KNS8400 basically feel the SRH840 got too much bass in the room. Is it that much big difference between these two? 

post #10 of 14

I found that I enjoyed the Sound Magic HP 100 very much. Nice balanced sound and no issue with fit 

 

the K550 is a realyl nice sounding can but as others have mentioned, if they d not fit you correctly they sound pretty terrible 

post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by kendominance View Post
 

I tried SRH850 long time ago. The only reason I didn't bought it (got a K240s instead) was because it's simply too bulky! I had a small head :D, and even K240s is sort of making my neck painful after a 2 - 3 hour session (and I don't even wear them all the time, I switch to my monitor back and forth). And that's the very reason I didn't even listed here. But I totally agree that SRH850 is a work horse and I sort of like the bass. I read some reviews and who enjoy KNS8400 basically feel the SRH840 got too much bass in the room. Is it that much big difference between these two? 

 

SRH840 is too uncomfortable for long sessions, unless you're willing to take apart the headband. KNS8400 is no good for studio work, unless you're willing to replace the cable.

 

KNS8400 is more resolving. It's what I would need to get the job done. SRH840 is what I would use for enjoyment. It's not ideal for studio work, especially unamped.

 

Work or pleasure? Regrettably, we often have to choose between them.

post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 

Yeah, like I said in the very beginning, I'm going to use this headphone only for tracking and recording. I personally don't use headphone for enjoyment since I really cannot enjoy music with something on my head. I'll give KNS8400 a shot in the very near future. If I got some chance to try the K550 and DT770M, I'll also share some personal thought too. Thanks Claritas!

post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by kendominance View Post
 

Yeah, like I said in the very beginning, I'm going to use this headphone only for tracking and recording. I personally don't use headphone for enjoyment since I really cannot enjoy music with something on my head. I'll give KNS8400 a shot in the very near future. If I got some chance to try the K550 and DT770M, I'll also share some personal thought too. Thanks Claritas!

DO NOT BUY THE DT 770M

 

I have heard it's sound is kinda meh, the isolation is EPIC but at the cost of sound quality... again I've never heard it but the lack of quality seems to be a accpeted feature of the DT 770 M in teh community, so I'd suggest sticking with the 80 or 250 ohm and NON M variants! 

 

But if you do get a chance to listen to it :D you can certianly tells what you thought of it! If what I heard is wrong I'd be happy to know... and the same applies if my info is correct too >.> 

post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 

I just tried DT-770M and I felt the sound was some how distorted. I guess it was because the isolation design messed up the performance. I think it wasn't really that bad, but consider the price, it should do a better job. So, I just ordered the KNS8400 anyways. I'll let it run through the Christmas. Thanks everyone for the help and enjoy your holiday. :beerchug:

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