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I am about to upgrade my motherboard to a Z87 to this - Gigabyte G1 Sniper M5 it says this motherboard has a Creative Core 3D sound card with upgradeable OP Amps.

 

I currently have a creative x-fi titanium HD that I love.

 

As you can see on the motherboard theres no way I can fit my sound card on this motherboard since its a matx board... I am curious if anyone knows if the onboard audio is compareable? I really don't use the gimmick features of the sound card like the virtual 5.1 or crystalizer but I do like the good DAC it provides.

 

I was considering just getting a seperate dac/amp but then again I somewhat like being to EQ the music I listen too ocassionally. 

 

My headphones are ATH AD700s, V-Moda M100's and I am considering getting ATH A900x soon. None of them are particularly hard to drive but still curious. Thanks

post #2 of 12

I use my ODAC -> O2 -> M50/ad700/has400/ms1 and couldn't be happier. One day i will spend more and get some "serious" hifi gear, but for now i have NO complaints.

post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by jam3s121 View Post
 

I am about to upgrade my motherboard to a Z87 to this - Gigabyte G1 Sniper M5 it says this motherboard has a Creative Core 3D sound card with upgradeable OP Amps.

 

I currently have a creative x-fi titanium HD that I love.

 

As you can see on the motherboard theres no way I can fit my sound card on this motherboard since its a matx board... I am curious if anyone knows if the onboard audio is compareable? I really don't use the gimmick features of the sound card like the virtual 5.1 or crystalizer but I do like the good DAC it provides.

 

I was considering just getting a seperate dac/amp but then again I somewhat like being to EQ the music I listen too ocassionally. 

 

My headphones are ATH AD700s, V-Moda M100's and I am considering getting ATH A900x soon. None of them are particularly hard to drive but still curious. Thanks

 

I don't see any reason why you cant put your X-Fi into that board?

post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by jam3s121 View Post
 

I am about to upgrade my motherboard to a Z87 to this - Gigabyte G1 Sniper M5 it says this motherboard has a Creative Core 3D sound card with upgradeable OP Amps.

I currently have a Creative X-Fi Titanium HD that I love.

As you can see on the motherboard there's no way I can fit my sound card on this motherboard since its a matx board... I am curious if anyone knows if the onboard audio is compareable? I really don't use the gimmick features of the sound card like the virtual 5.1 or crystalizer but I do like the good DAC it provides.

I was considering just getting a separate dac/amp but then again I somewhat like being to EQ the music I listen too ocassionally. 

My headphones are ATH AD700s, V-Moda M100's and I am considering getting ATH A900X soon. None of them are particularly hard to drive but still curious. Thanks

I'm going to guess the Sniper M5's motherboard audio processor, the SoundCore3D, function is as the motherboard's DAC, so I'm guessing sound quality is going to be equal to the Creative Recon3D cards :(

Where as the Titanium HD uses the same DAC chip (PCM1796) as the $225 ZxR :)

Your current and future headphones are all low impedance (32 to 40-Ohm), so really something like the Schiit Magni headphone amplifier ($99) with it's very low impedance (<1-Ohm) would be a better choice for driving your headphones, over the Titanium HD and G1 Sniper M5.

(plug Magni into the Titanium HD)

 

You might consider buying a cheaper Z87 motherboard that can fit the Titanium HD and buy a Magni headphone amplifier.

 

Get a cheaper Z87 motherboard and the Sound Blaster Z (SB1500) sound card and invest in headphones with a higher impedance (AKG K612 Pro 120-Ohm).

post #5 of 12
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Originally Posted by mcandmar View Post
 

 

I don't see any reason why you cant put your X-Fi into that board?

It won't fit with two graphics cards, hell it won't fit with one fullsize card. One full size graphics card takes up 2 slots, that motherboard has 5 slots total. I am doing a MATX build with two cards for gaming but I do enjoy nice audio quality.. thats why I bought the x-fi titanium hd.

 

 

Is http://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-omni-surround-5-1 near as good as the x-fi titanium hd? OR should I go with a discrete audiophile amp/dac? I don't mind getting the audiophile stuff but how would I use something like a EQ then? I have considered possibly getting DT770's would most amps run those? the 80ohms.

 

I've most considered this amp/dac http://www.amazon.com/AUNE-T1-Amplifier-Standard-Version/dp/B00CHIJYGE

 

 

I don't use the gimmicky stuff like "gaming mode" often but it is somewhat interesting and does actually work well with my ath700s. So i'm in a bit of a bind, if anything I would probably get the omni surround 5.1 or aune t1.. unless I could find a desk to fit a much larger case where I'm about to move.


Edited by jam3s121 - 12/16/13 at 1:33pm
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by jam3s121 View Post
 

It won't fit with two graphics cards, hell it won't fit with one fullsize card. One full size graphics card takes up 2 slots, that motherboard has 5 slots total. I am doing a MATX build with two cards for gaming but I do enjoy nice audio quality.. thats why I bought the x-fi titanium hd.

Is http://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-omni-surround-5-1 near as good as the x-fi titanium hd? OR should I go with a discrete audiophile amp/dac? I don't mind getting the audiophile stuff but how would I use something like a EQ then? I have considered possibly getting DT770's would most amps run those? the 80ohms.

I've most considered this amp/dac http://www.amazon.com/AUNE-T1-Amplifier-Standard-Version/dp/B00CHIJYGE

I don't use the gimmicky stuff like "gaming mode" often but it is somewhat interesting and does actually work well with my ath700s. So i'm in a bit of a bind, if anything I would probably get the omni surround 5.1 or aune t1.. unless I could find a desk to fit a much larger case where I'm about to move.

For a gaming setup, you want to use an internal sound card or external sound card or an external DAC with S/PDIF (optical or coaxial) inputs.

Cause a simple USB DAC bypass the sound card.

post #7 of 12
Haven't looked at the board layout, but would a PCI/ pcie ribbon cable not help?
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by yay101 View Post

Haven't looked at the board layout, but would a PCI/ pcie ribbon cable not help?

 

PCI Ribbon cables are susceptible to EM noise. Unless you get shielded good quality ones like 3M. They're not cheap.

 

Either way, unless there are some gaming features that the OP needs to use, there's no point in going either onboard or discreet.

 

Just get a good USB DAC, and change to whatever motherboard needed.


Edited by proton007 - 12/17/13 at 1:34am
post #9 of 12
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What would be a good usb dac to get?

post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by jam3s121 View Post
 

What would be a good usb dac to get?

Budget?

 

If your willing to spend around $170, Audioengine D1 external DAC/amp.

Comes with both USB and S/PDIF optical inputs.

Using the S/PDIF would allow you to still use the sound card features

post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by jam3s121 View Post
 

What would be a good usb dac to get?

 

The ODAC is a reasonably priced transparent DAC, close to $150.

 

You have an amp? The DAC will need an amp (I'm assuming you have one).

post #12 of 12

HRT streamer or the W4S udac, a couple of alternatives. 

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