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Need help choosing between Denon d2000 and Mad Dogs / HE-400

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

(Edited thread title with update)

 

Greetings to Head-Fi from Australia!

 

I've been pawing over the website in search of my perfect headphones. Just as I read a review that fit me to a tee, I find out they're discontinued and almost impossible to get. Living in Australia can prove to be a little frustrating with getting good quality second hand goods, and generally everything has quite a serious mark-up as it is.

I have managed to find only one retailer who has the D2000's, and they're $530aud, a bit out of my price range.

 

Details time!

I spend most of my time at the computer in the same room as my partner, so I would prefer them to be closed, or minimal leakage.

Most of my time spent at the computer, is gaming>movies>music. I consider myself a lover of very strong bass, however probably not overpowering so that I lose too much detail. I should note that I'm yet to hear too much bass from headphones, though...

 

I've had a relatively poor track record with headphones; 

I received some beats (solo?) headphones with my HTC ONE for free, and find them terribly uncomfortable, and terrible sounding.

I used to own a set of Sennheiser HD448 which were fine, but without any real articulation to the bass, I felt they were underwhelming.

I currently use a steelseries 7h gaming headset, and again, the sound just feels lifeless and tinny. They also hurt my ears after a couple hours.

 

I am open to amping and using a DAC in the future. I am willing to take a hit in sound quality for now, if I can look forward to amping in a few months.

 

I listen to all walks of music, however the larger quantity of my time would be spent listening to the likes of electronic, alternative and a spattering of rock and metal.

 

My very basic budget for the headphones is around the $300AUD mark (270USD) (200EUR). However I am a downright crazy when it comes to quality and good sales pitches, so if something is THAT much better, I would probably be willing to go to $400AUD.

 

My research landed me on the Denon ah-d2000 model headphones, however they seem to be quite difficult to get a hold of in Australia. I found some for sale on Ebay from the UK for about $280, however they have a "wire braid is worn near the jack end and showing the white padding underneath". Is this still a worthwhile purchase? Is this an easy to fix problem?

 

I have also considered v-moda m-100's, though I hear they can be quite uncomfortable. 

 

 

TL:DR

Looking for headphones similar to Denon ah-d2000

Play games, watch movies, listen to electronica/alternative/rock-metal

$300-$400AUD budget

Prefer Closed

Prefer Over Ear

Amping/DAC in future

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your time, everyone.



Edited by Shibleh-Fi - 12/19/13 at 4:55pm
post #2 of 13

Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80-Ohm are bassy headphones.

You would need to get a headphone amplifier for driving the DT770s

post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thanks PurpleAngel!

 

Two quick questions.

 

On the note of headphones that require amping, how would the DT770's compare with the Mr Speaker Mad Dog?

 

Also, in the interim, while saving up for the amp, how would these headphones sound from sources such as a computer sound card? (would only be for a month or two, just my curiosity)

 

 

 

Thanks for your time.

post #4 of 13
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Originally Posted by Shibleh-Fi View Post
 

On the note of headphones that require amping, how would the DT770's compare with the Mr Speaker Mad Dog?

 

Also, in the interim, while saving up for the amp, how would these headphones sound from sources such as a computer sound card? (would only be for a month or two, just my curiosity)

Between the DT770 and Mad Dogs? I'm not sure, Mad Dogs use a different type of way for creating audio waves.

 

With a motherboard's built in sound card, it's not easy to tell from board to board, the newer the board and the more it's costs, the better chance it has of driving the DT770 80-Ohm.

 

But when it comes to trying to match the Denon AH-D2000, you might want to ask on this thread.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/350721/denon-d2000-d5000-md2000-md5000-appreciation-thread

post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 

(Edited thread title.)

 

Thanks again for the help Purple, that thread has given me a great insight.

 

I think I have narrowed my search down to a used pair of Denon D2k's or the Mad Dogs.

 

I know the mad dogs require their own amping, but I am finding it difficult to draw a good comparison between the Denon D2k's and the Mad Dogs. If anyone has happend to own both, and could try draw some short fast conclusions for me, that'd be really handy.

 

I think the main thing I am worried about with the Denon's, is that they'll leak too much sound, and that they're second hand.

And the main thing that worries me about the Mad Dogs, is they won't quite have enough bass for me. (listen to alot of Burial type music).

 

I seem to be constantly finding myself running in loops around here...

This is so exciting, trying to choose my first pair of 'better' headphones, but I am making it oh so frustrating...

 

 

Thanks in advance~


Edited by Shibleh-Fi - 12/19/13 at 6:08am
post #6 of 13

Hello and welcome.

 

Since it seems you will be using them more for gaming and movies, you might want to take a look at:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gaming-guide-updated-9-2-2013-sony-ma900-added

post #7 of 13

Well I owned the Mad Dogs, and I have a D2k in bound to me so... I could compare them in like 2 weeks xD

 

but if you can go for hte Mad Dogs, they are very nice headphones. Without an amp the bass is going to be a little under presented, but once you amp them they REALLY start to kick! Plus teh D2k doesn't isolate as well as teh Mad Dog and the D2k tends to leak a little 

post #8 of 13

I'd probably pick the D2000 over the Mad Dogs for gaming and movies.  If you were primarily listening to music I'd say get the Mad Dogs.

post #9 of 13

had D2000 for a long time and I have now MD with Alpha pads.

Honnestly both headphones are very good.

-D2000 is slightly v-shaped sounding with big sub-bass. I would say they are slightly bright to my ears with good soundstage

-MD are slightly dark sounding, good mids slightly forward, very good bass slam when properly amped (O2 is already very good pairing).

MD isolate more & leak less, both are very comfortable

Honnestly I think you will be happy with both!

post #10 of 13

Several D2000 are listed on FS. I don't know if where they're willing to ship.

 

If you're choosing between D2000 and MrSpeakers, I agree with TMRaven above.

post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thank you so much everyone,

 

 

I promise that this will be the absolute last thing that I add, but I got a reply this morning about some possible HE-400's for sale in my area. Overall I am really liking the reviews I am reading about them, and how they compare. I understand that they will not have quite as much sub bass as the denon's, however they still provide ample. I know they're open headphones, however it's becoming more and more apparent that my previous closed requirement, is becoming less and less important to me.

 

I would like to note that I would be purchasing the HE-400's local, and the D2K's overseas. And the HE-400's would be coming in about 100 dollars cheaper than the Denon's. 

 

I will be trialling the HE-400's this afternoon.

 

 

Again, thank you all so much. Simply the best community I could have hoped for.

 

 

 

TL;DR - How about HE:400 vs Denon D2k

post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 

Update:

 

I was fortunate enough to find a very friendly headphone seller today, who came and visited me to give me a chance to test the HE-400's. 

 

On the sadder note though, I don't believe they were quite what I am looking for. While my noob ears knew that they were listening to very accurate music, I failed to really enjoy any of the music I listened to. Ranging from Moby, Burial, TheXX, and a few others I don't remember.

 

I think my main problem was the Bass just didn't seem to be there. They didn't feel very 'fun' to listen to. I can't say we gave the headphones the proper treatment they deserve, only using a small e5 headphone amp, sourced from my rather sad old Ipod.

 

This overall makes me a little worried about the denon d2k's, and hoping they have enough bass to give me that 'fun' feeling. 

 

The only local headphones that I can try in store are the Sony MDR-1R's. I have briefly listened to the bluetooth version and while I wasn't that impressed I found I enjoyed the music more than I did from the HE-400's.

 

So now I'm left again, choosing between the d2k's and the maddogs, and the two sony contenders, the mdr-1r's and the ma900's suggested by gelocks...

 

 

 

Far out... this is getting difficult.

 

I really am quite sold on the Denon reviews, but with no way to really test them in Brisbane Australia, I am a little concerned.

post #13 of 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shibleh-Fi View Post
 

Update:

 

I was fortunate enough to find a very friendly headphone seller today, who came and visited me to give me a chance to test the HE-400's. 

 

On the sadder note though, I don't believe they were quite what I am looking for. While my noob ears knew that they were listening to very accurate music, I failed to really enjoy any of the music I listened to. Ranging from Moby, Burial, TheXX, and a few others I don't remember.

 

I think my main problem was the Bass just didn't seem to be there. They didn't feel very 'fun' to listen to. I can't say we gave the headphones the proper treatment they deserve, only using a small e5 headphone amp, sourced from my rather sad old Ipod.

 

This overall makes me a little worried about the denon d2k's, and hoping they have enough bass to give me that 'fun' feeling. 

 

The only local headphones that I can try in store are the Sony MDR-1R's. I have briefly listened to the bluetooth version and while I wasn't that impressed I found I enjoyed the music more than I did from the HE-400's.

 

So now I'm left again, choosing between the d2k's and the maddogs, and the two sony contenders, the mdr-1r's and the ma900's suggested by gelocks...

 

 

 

Far out... this is getting difficult.

 

I really am quite sold on the Denon reviews, but with no way to really test them in Brisbane Australia, I am a little concerned.

ok TRUST me the Denons will have teh BASS. The Hifiman HE 400 [and the Mr Speakers Mad Dog] are both ortodynamic headphones, which means they like power! About 1w is a safe level. So out of your iPod and E5 the HE 400 simply didn't have the power it needed to deliver the SLAMMIN bass you want. I had the HE 400 and I found a big improvement to teh bass in particular when I switched from an amp running .6w to one pushing upwards of 5w+.

 

Granted you do NOT need a headphone amp running 5w into 32 ohs BUT you may want to invest in a proper amp for the Mad Dog and HE 400, something like the iBasso PB1 [I really liked my PB1 with my HE 400]  or the JDS Labs O2 [or C5] 

 

Now the Denons are low impedance Dynamic headphones, which do not need as much power to get that bass a kicking. The Denons will be FUN, how ever with better amping you'll get a tighter bass. But if you found the HE 400 underwhelming with your iPod and E5 I fear the Mad Dog will sound much the same, as imo the He 400 and Mad Dog share VERY SIMMILAR Bass and Low Mids! 

 

So i'd go with the D2k. dynamic headphones aren't as power hungry as orthos can be, still if your find you want a better sound quality out of your D2k. Get your self an LOD for your iPod and upgrade to an amp like the Fiio E12. 

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