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Today I used the XS with my iPhone 5 alone for the first time since I got them.  I usually have the Verza connected.  I think that the Verza helps the M100s a little, but it helps the XS a lot.  Without it today, the sound was a bit thinner from top to bottom, and the bass was not as defined.  Still a pretty good overall sound, but I realize now that the Verza has been provided more of an assist than I thought.

post #512 of 810
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Today I used the XS with my iPhone 5 alone for the first time since I got them.  I usually have the Verza connected.  I think that the Verza helps the M100s a little, but it helps the XS a lot.  Without it today, the sound was a bit thinner from top to bottom, and the bass was not as defined.  Still a pretty good overall sound, but I realize now that the Verza has been provided more of an assist than I thought.
why would you buy the verza over an e17 Looking at specs, I saw no output difference, plus e17 has an eq. Is it the fact that it clips onto the iPhone or something? I don't own any apple products, nor will I ever. Buying v-moda headphones I understand, but buying a 500$ amp comparable to a 200$ amp? Confusion hits me. Can you explain to me what the reason is to buy that amp over any other at 500$? Is it better than the e17? I'd just like to know about it. It sure is a beautifully designed piece of equipment either way! That's a decent reason. Design. Another reason I guess is feasible is that it hooks onto your phone (I'm never buying an iPhone however. They look good, and sound decent, but the UI is too simple, you have to go through iTunes which pisses me off, and it isn't open source. I'll take windows phone or android... Oh, and now that beats audio is gone, and the HTC one m8 puts out 1.3 volts vs iPhone 5s at 1 volt, I think that HTC one m8's are the best phones for audiophiles.) sorry for my on and off topic rant lol. Now, what is the reason to buy a verza over other amps?
post #513 of 810
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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post


why would you buy the verza over an e17 Looking at specs, I saw no output difference, plus e17 has an eq. Is it the fact that it clips onto the iPhone or something? I don't own any apple products, nor will I ever. Buying v-moda headphones I understand, but buying a 500$ amp comparable to a 200$ amp? Confusion hits me. Can you explain to me what the reason is to buy that amp over any other at 500$? Is it better than the e17? I'd just like to know about it. It sure is a beautifully designed piece of equipment either way! That's a decent reason. Design. Another reason I guess is feasible is that it hooks onto your phone (I'm never buying an iPhone however. They look good, and sound decent, but the UI is too simple, you have to go through iTunes which pisses me off, and it isn't open source. I'll take windows phone or android... Oh, and now that beats audio is gone, and the HTC one m8 puts out 1.3 volts vs iPhone 5s at 1 volt, I think that HTC one m8's are the best phones for audiophiles.) sorry for my on and off topic rant lol. Now, what is the reason to buy a verza over other amps?

 

Is the FIIO compatible with the iPhone as a DAC/AMP.  I know it is as an AMP...  Most DAC/AMP combos for iDevices need to be MFi certified, the V-Moda is, not sure about the E17. 

 

iOS is open sourced, this is a little misquoted fact: http://opensource.apple.com/  iTunes is annoying though.  Windows Phone, however, isn't open sourced :/  It runs off of BSD (like OS X) and is actually more true to Unix than Android is, though it's closed in many ways. 

 

Output voltage isn't everything (the iPhone 5s is 1.11 BTW)...  Output impedance is more important...  As are other critical factors (THD, etc.).  Voltage only determines how loud it can get something... 


Edited by tinyman392 - 4/30/14 at 4:04pm
post #514 of 810
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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post


why would you buy the verza over an e17 Looking at specs, I saw no output difference, plus e17 has an eq. Is it the fact that it clips onto the iPhone or something? I don't own any apple products, nor will I ever. Buying v-moda headphones I understand, but buying a 500$ amp comparable to a 200$ amp? Confusion hits me. Can you explain to me what the reason is to buy that amp over any other at 500$? Is it better than the e17? I'd just like to know about it. It sure is a beautifully designed piece of equipment either way! That's a decent reason. Design. Another reason I guess is feasible is that it hooks onto your phone (I'm never buying an iPhone however. They look good, and sound decent, but the UI is too simple, you have to go through iTunes which pisses me off, and it isn't open source. I'll take windows phone or android... Oh, and now that beats audio is gone, and the HTC one m8 puts out 1.3 volts vs iPhone 5s at 1 volt, I think that HTC one m8's are the best phones for audiophiles.) sorry for my on and off topic rant lol. Now, what is the reason to buy a verza over other amps?

Unless HTC if offering a DAC along with the snapdragon 801 CPU i doubt it ... The 801 probably has the same as the 800 cpu DAC and while it is adequate for my taste the Wolfson ones found in the G2 and Samsung devices with the Exynos chips are better imo 

post #515 of 810
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Unless HTC if offering a DAC along with the snapdragon 801 CPU i doubt it ... The 801 probably has the same as the 800 cpu DAC and while it is adequate for my taste the Wolfson ones found in the G2 and Samsung devices with the Exynos chips are better imo 
I hate Samsung lol. Plus, for apple to be open source, you have to be a developer. Are you a developer with apples permission? No? Ok. Windows phone is the same way, and you can also get it to be open source if you are a developer. Just correcting you. What windows phone has that apple doesn't is better UI, better speed optimization, better chipsets, bigger, higher resolution screens, a pre installed very powerful equalizer, screen hue choices, Dolby digital headphones (some people like it, others don't.)... Need I continue?
post #516 of 810
I don't wish to argue with everyone here btw. Just standing my opinion. I respect all of your opinions too. biggrin.gif now, yes the e17 will work with any device as far as I can tell. I'm pretty sure fiio is one of the most popular, if not the most, for portable low priced amps.... I think.
post #517 of 810
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I don't wish to argue with everyone here btw. Just standing my opinion. I respect all of your opinions too. biggrin.gif now, yes the e17 will work with any device as far as I can tell. I'm pretty sure fiio is one of the most popular, if not the most, for portable low priced amps.... I think.

 

As a DAC was my specific question...  I know it can bypass an iPhone's AMP, but can it bypass the DAC as well?  EG, can it read the encrypted digital out of the 8-pin connector? 

post #518 of 810
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I hate Samsung lol. Plus, for apple to be open source, you have to be a developer. Are you a developer with apples permission? No? Ok. Windows phone is the same way, and you can also get it to be open source if you are a developer. Just correcting you. What windows phone has that apple doesn't is better UI, better speed optimization, better chipsets, bigger, higher resolution screens, a pre installed very powerful equalizer, screen hue choices, Dolby digital headphones (some people like it, others don't.)... Need I continue?

 

What?  Apple's source is available to all...  Here's the source for iOS 6.1.3: http://opensource.apple.com/release/ios-613/  Developer accounts are free, but aren't required to download source code...  You just need the proper program to open up the tarball (7-zip anyone?).  Windows is not open sourced at all...  Link me to Windows 8 source code... 

 

Better UI is true in some sense, but it's even more simplistic than Apple's...  Better speed is false...  Windows runs under a VM, like Android, though a bit more efficient than Androids, not true native binary code (Apple does that one).  Better chipsets is also not true as well.  Apple's dual core performs as well, if not better, than most quad cores out right now (for phones).  Bigger, higher resolution screens is true.  As is the Equalizer...  Changing the screen hue reduces performance (and isn't needed if the screen has good color accuracy, iPhones are known for this, as is the S5 surprisingly...  SuperAMOLEDs are known for not having this)...  No comment on the headphones...  White pages don't correspond to throughput, which is the assumption you're making right now. 

 

I'm not sure where, or how, you're getting these facts... 


Edited by tinyman392 - 4/30/14 at 4:35pm
post #519 of 810
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Originally Posted by dcfac73 View Post
 

Got my XS's a couple of days ago...

 

IMO they really need amping. Without- the volume is too low - coming straight out of my Galaxy S3 at max level was still not loud enough for me. Sound was fairly un-dynamic and bass was not punchy or detailed. Coming out of my iPod Touch 64gb- the hi-freq seemed too emphasised, and the bass too low and not well defined. However, when amped, these approach open cans for hi-freq quality and present a far more detailed and punchy bass. Volume goes loud enough too. Overall, when amped, they are a big improvement on the M-80s.

uhh i'm not sure what your talking about.. i've been using them straight off my ipod touch 64 gb, i even went so far as to take off my fiio e6 amp. the bass not boomy or bloated. with the e6 it thickens the sound a bit more than id like for home and walking around use. its perfect atm i think, but if i would like that extra thick sound and bass when bussing and commuting.  and emphasizes the lower treble a bit more than i like, making the mid to upper treble sound even more laid back

 

now i dunno how loud ur listening to your music but even on the itouch i'm using it at 5-6/16 and its plenty loud. (when busing or commuting i turn up to 6/16 and its enough)

 

i'm not familiar with the specs on the s3 but i seriously doubt even at max volume its not loud enough (for a sane person) even the average consumers are heading towards hearing loss. hearing loss has increased soo much since the introduction of mp3 players and ipods and the like. 

 

doubt its the player, its probably you use to listening to it loud, if thats the case you would either have to: use an amp (which you already do) 2) change to a higher output device 3) switch a lower impedence, more sensitive gear (iem) probably that way your getting maximum seal from outside noise and wont have to resort to turning it up (unless you just enjoy music at ear piercing volumes)

 

just my two cents, cause the xs is not hard to drive by any means

post #520 of 810
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Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post
 

uhh i'm not sure what your talking about.. i've been using them straight off my ipod touch 64 gb, i even went so far as to take off my fiio e6 amp. the bass not boomy or bloated. with the e6 it thickens the sound a bit more than id like for home and walking around use. its perfect atm i think, but if i would like that extra thick sound and bass when bussing and commuting.  and emphasizes the lower treble a bit more than i like, making the mid to upper treble sound even more laid back

 

now i dunno how loud ur listening to your music but even on the itouch i'm using it at 5-6/16 and its plenty loud. (when busing or commuting i turn up to 6/16 and its enough)

 

i'm not familiar with the specs on the s3 but i seriously doubt even at max volume its not loud enough (for a sane person) even the average consumers are heading towards hearing loss. hearing loss has increased soo much since the introduction of mp3 players and ipods and the like. 

 

doubt its the player, its probably you use to listening to it loud, if thats the case you would either have to: use an amp (which you already do) 2) change to a higher output device 3) switch a lower impedence, more sensitive gear (iem) probably that way your getting maximum seal from outside noise and wont have to resort to turning it up (unless you just enjoy music at ear piercing volumes)

 

just my two cents, cause the xs is not hard to drive by any means

 

I actually do know where he's coming from...  Apple's use of the Cirrus DAC is what is causing it IMO, they tend to be slightly colder in contrast to others I've listened to (iPod Touch 1G, Macbook Pro, etc.).  The S3 should have more than enough power to drive these for sure. 

 

The Vamp does help out the XS quite a bit though IMO.  It does give it a warmer sound with slightly better detailing in the treble. 

post #521 of 810
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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post


riding the bus, etc. I usually have it pretty loud. What's odd is that they get louder than beats studios when I amp them with my e11.

 

well if thats your cup of tea, to each their own. at least you admit you listen to it loud. 

 

well i really look at the specs of those headphones your talking about

 

but then again i don't think it'll do much good, since i can't even compare to the beats studios (beats doesn't even release the specs)

 

with the xs i can hear enough around me while isolating enough.

 

i can hear when car drives by (most of the time its racing by) if its strolling by obviously not. it can't block out conversations when i'm right beside them but then again what on/over ear can do that really well (in general iems are the only way to go for that kind of isolation)

 

i can also hear bits of the announcements onboard the subway (signalling my to take off my headphones to listen to it) with iems (its barely audible, and if i was even half asleep i wouldn't even have heard that there was an announcement).

 

thats really the true test of isolation (listening at the lowest level possible, without losing the musical enjoyment, and isolating from outside noise).

 

i rarely ever get the need to really "crank it up" 1-2 taps on the volume is more than enough and never venture past 60% even 50% is pushing it (hover in the 30s-40s)

 

long story short, the xs i feel strikes a perfect balance between isolation and situational awareness 

post #522 of 810
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Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post
 

 

well if thats your cup of tea, to each their own. at least you admit you listen to it loud. 

 

well i really look at the specs of those headphones your talking about

 

but then again i don't think it'll do much good, since i can't even compare to the beats studios (beats doesn't even release the specs)

 

with the xs i can hear enough around me while isolating enough.

 

i can hear when car drives by (most of the time its racing by) if its strolling by obviously not. it can't block out conversations when i'm right beside them but then again what on/over ear can do that really well (in general iems are the only way to go for that kind of isolation)

 

i can also hear bits of the announcements onboard the subway (signalling my to take off my headphones to listen to it) with iems (its barely audible, and if i was even half asleep i wouldn't even have heard that there was an announcement).

 

thats really the true test of isolation (listening at the lowest level possible, without losing the musical enjoyment, and isolating from outside noise).

 

i rarely ever get the need to really "crank it up" 1-2 taps on the volume is more than enough and never venture past 60% even 50% is pushing it (hover in the 30s-40s)

 

long story short, the xs i feel strikes a perfect balance between isolation and situational awareness 

 

My test of isolation...  If I can listen to my music at my normal, at home volume level (normally around 5 clicks with the iPod) while on the go, then it's fine...  If I have to crank it up 1-2 clicks, then it's problematic.  With the XS, I can get through my commute with 5 clicks (though it depends on how busy the bus is, if I elect to take the bus). 

post #523 of 810
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

My test of isolation...  If I can listen to my music at my normal, at home volume level (normally around 5 clicks with the iPod) while on the go, then it's fine...  If I have to crank it up 1-2 clicks, then it's problematic.  With the XS, I can get through my commute with 5 clicks (though it depends on how busy the bus is, if I elect to take the bus). 

+1!

 

well i think +1 is okay +2 is already pushing it  IMO ! (like for subway and on the go) . i listen the same about 5/16 at home on my ipod touch 4th gen 64gb, and i go from there (like you start with the home volume and see where it stands there)

 

the subways here in toronto are alright (depending on if i hop on a new one i can get through with 5 clicks) the older ones i would have to go with 6 clicks

post #524 of 810
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I hate Samsung lol. Plus, for apple to be open source, you have to be a developer. Are you a developer with apples permission? No? Ok. Windows phone is the same way, and you can also get it to be open source if you are a developer. Just correcting you. What windows phone has that apple doesn't is better UI, better speed optimization, better chipsets, bigger, higher resolution screens, a pre installed very powerful equalizer, screen hue choices, Dolby digital headphones (some people like it, others don't.)... Need I continue?

Err What i only commenting on DAC's .... Samsung Exynos  Version of their phones offer a superior DAC then US Versions or HTC phones. 

post #525 of 810
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

My test of isolation...  If I can listen to my music at my normal, at home volume level (normally around 5 clicks with the iPod) while on the go, then it's fine...  If I have to crank it up 1-2 clicks, then it's problematic.  With the XS, I can get through my commute with 5 clicks (though it depends on how busy the bus is, if I elect to take the bus). 

I am in NYC and with the M-100 compared to the XS in isolation i already have my music through my note 3 around 75-80% ( probably need to buy an Amp for my phones eventually and been eyeing one for a while) and the XS isolates almost as good as the M-100 in the same conditions which is the Subway ( which are pretty loud). I don't hear people around me talking and faintly hear the trains going by me 

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