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post #1 of 25
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Reading a 6moons review of the 'AMI Intl. Inc DS5' (not the most memorable product name), I wanted to know whether it would adequately drive the Hifiman HE-6.

 

I happily discovered that the reviewer gear-tested the HE-6 with it.

 

I was less happy when I read this paragraph;

 

"With the AK100 and for normal levels, Aëdle's VK-1 triggered 2. It got mega butch at 3. AKG's K-702 played 4 for mellow and 6 for hot. Audeze LCD-3 came on song at 3. I'd not exceed 4. Ditto for Sennheiser's HD800. MrSpeakers' Alpha Dog lived between 4 and 5. Without any distortion HifiMan's HE-6 got louder at full crank than I'd need with Buddha-Bar type tracks of limited dynamic range which sound louder. For once inefficiency pays dividends. Get ye a gas guzzler Simon sez."

 

Can't really tell what he's trying to say. I THINK he means that the amp is insufficient for the HE-6 because he needs to turn it up fully to play already dynamically loud tracks at ample volume...? Would you agree? Could someone decipher that?

 

The headphone reviewer at 6moons has a habit of writing labyrinthine prose in an effort to convince people he's clever, and it makes for painfully ambiguous reviews.

post #2 of 25

:p

post #3 of 25
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Originally Posted by bassophile View Post
 

Reading a 6moons review of the 'AMI Intl. Inc DS5' (not the most memorable product name), I wanted to know whether it would adequately drive the Hifiman HE-6.

 

I happily discovered that the reviewer gear-tested the HE-6 with it.

 

I was less happy when I read this paragraph;

 

"With the AK100 and for normal levels, Aëdle's VK-1 triggered 2. It got mega butch at 3. AKG's K-702 played 4 for mellow and 6 for hot. Audeze LCD-3 came on song at 3. I'd not exceed 4. Ditto for Sennheiser's HD800. MrSpeakers' Alpha Dog lived between 4 and 5. Without any distortion HifiMan's HE-6 got louder at full crank than I'd need with Buddha-Bar type tracks of limited dynamic range which sound louder. For once inefficiency pays dividends. Get ye a gas guzzler Simon sez."

 

Can't really tell what he's trying to say. I THINK he means that the amp is insufficient for the HE-6 because he needs to turn it up fully to play already dynamically loud tracks at ample volume...? Would you agree? Could someone decipher that?

 

The headphone reviewer at 6moons has a habit of writing labyrinthine prose in an effort to convince people he's clever, and it makes for painfully ambiguous reviews.

I think he's confusing inefficiency (turning up volume on DAP or Amp) with max SPL.  More than likely the reason there wasn't distortion even at full crank is because it takes more to get there.  

 

6moons needs to kill its darlings. 

post #4 of 25

I feel I should caution any head-fiers who are considering making a purchase from AMI Int'l.  I ordered a DDH-1 DAC/amp last Sept, largely influenced by the in-depth and positive review on 6moons.  When the amp arrived I immediately noticed that the finishing was not up to the level of the product shown in the photographs on 6moons and the AMI website.  I shipped the amp back to Japan and requested a refund.

 

AMI acknowledged that they received the returned amp (eventually - after my prompting), and suggested that the newer DS5 corrected all of the issues I'd had with the DDH-1.  They offered an even swap for the more expensive DS5 which I declined (I need an analog input), again requesting a refund through paypal.  AMI said they would make the refund, but nothing happened and I didn't hear from them.  A month later I inquired again and AMI responded, saying they were having problems with paypal.

 

This process of my requesting status on the refund and AMI stating that they were having problems with paypal repeated itself a couple of more times, and the last I heard from them was Jan 7 this year.  At this point I feel like I may never see a cent of that money again, and I'm without an amp because I don't have the funds to buy another without the refund.

 

I tried starting a case with paypal but they said they couldn't assist me with that transaction, presumably because it was an international purchase.  I should have paid with a credit card for the enhanced protection (and paid the international surcharge) - live and learn.  Better yet, I should have chosen an amp from a more established and reputable company.

post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by Rimbaud View Post
 

I feel I should caution any head-fiers who are considering making a purchase from AMI Int'l.  I ordered a DDH-1 DAC/amp last Sept, largely influenced by the in-depth and positive review on 6moons.  When the amp arrived I immediately noticed that the finishing was not up to the level of the product shown in the photographs on 6moons and the AMI website.  I shipped the amp back to Japan and requested a refund.

 

AMI acknowledged that they received the returned amp (eventually - after my prompting), and suggested that the newer DS5 corrected all of the issues I'd had with the DDH-1.  They offered an even swap for the more expensive DS5 which I declined (I need an analog input), again requesting a refund through paypal.  AMI said they would make the refund, but nothing happened and I didn't hear from them.  A month later I inquired again and AMI responded, saying they were having problems with paypal.

 

This process of my requesting status on the refund and AMI stating that they were having problems with paypal repeated itself a couple of more times, and the last I heard from them was Jan 7 this year.  At this point I feel like I may never see a cent of that money again, and I'm without an amp because I don't have the funds to buy another without the refund.

 

I tried starting a case with paypal but they said they couldn't assist me with that transaction, presumably because it was an international purchase.  I should have paid with a credit card for the enhanced protection (and paid the international surcharge) - live and learn.  Better yet, I should have chosen an amp from a more established and reputable company.

I make international purchases with Paypal all the time and they protect me. I'm located in Thailand which is why I make so many purchases outside the country. Whenever I've had an issue Paypal resolved it to my satisfaction. I think you may have been communicating with the wrong people at Paypal. Try harder.

post #6 of 25
PayPal won't allow me enter another dispute on that transaction, and the case has been closed in the Resolution Center. I'll try them on the phone to see if I can get any traction.
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by Rimbaud View Post
 

I feel I should caution any head-fiers who are considering making a purchase from AMI Int'l.  I ordered a DDH-1 DAC/amp last Sept, largely influenced by the in-depth and positive review on 6moons.  When the amp arrived I immediately noticed that the finishing was not up to the level of the product shown in the photographs on 6moons and the AMI website.  I shipped the amp back to Japan and requested a refund.

 

AMI acknowledged that they received the returned amp (eventually - after my prompting), and suggested that the newer DS5 corrected all of the issues I'd had with the DDH-1.  They offered an even swap for the more expensive DS5 which I declined (I need an analog input), again requesting a refund through paypal.  AMI said they would make the refund, but nothing happened and I didn't hear from them.  A month later I inquired again and AMI responded, saying they were having problems with paypal.

 

This process of my requesting status on the refund and AMI stating that they were having problems with paypal repeated itself a couple of more times, and the last I heard from them was Jan 7 this year.  At this point I feel like I may never see a cent of that money again, and I'm without an amp because I don't have the funds to buy another without the refund.

 

I tried starting a case with paypal but they said they couldn't assist me with that transaction, presumably because it was an international purchase.  I should have paid with a credit card for the enhanced protection (and paid the international surcharge) - live and learn.  Better yet, I should have chosen an amp from a more established and reputable company.

Sorry to hear Rimbaud. Thanks for the heads up. I'm sure people will think twice before dealing with these people.

post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by bassophile View Post

 

"With the AK100 and for normal levels, Aëdle's VK-1 triggered 2. It got mega butch at 3. AKG's K-702 played 4 for mellow and 6 for hot. Audeze LCD-3 came on song at 3. I'd not exceed 4. Ditto for Sennheiser's HD800. MrSpeakers' Alpha Dog lived between 4 and 5. Without any distortion HifiMan's HE-6 got louder at full crank than I'd need with Buddha-Bar type tracks of limited dynamic range which sound louder. For once inefficiency pays dividends. Get ye a gas guzzler Simon sez."]

 

I don't give much stock to 6moons reviews- they're among the most convoluted reviewers and in between paragraphs they insert an annoying ad that completely distracts my reading.

post #9 of 25

I keep reading posts from people who sent back products X,Y and Z for a variety of reasons, some of them quite bizarre.  Choose what you buy carefully and plan on keeping it. Don't expect a great finish with a cheap product..

post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by Hooster View Post
 

I keep reading posts from people who sent back products X,Y and Z for a variety of reasons, some of them quite bizarre.  Choose what you buy carefully and plan on keeping it. Don't expect a great finish with a cheap product..

Wow - I guess you've never had to send something back, ever.

post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by Hooster View Post
 

I keep reading posts from people who sent back products X,Y and Z for a variety of reasons, some of them quite bizarre.  Choose what you by carefully and plan on keeping it. Don't expect a great finish with a cheap product...

post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by Rimbaud View Post
 

Wow - I guess you've never had to send something back, ever.

 

In my case I haven't either, but then again the only things I bought without listening and holding them in my hands was my J-Buds J3, and for the $20 I paid (including shipping), I have nothing to complain about.

post #13 of 25

I thought I'd update my situation: AMI finally, after FIVE MONTHS, sent me a payment.  Only they sent it as a paypal payment rather than a refund, causing me to lose additional money for the paypal fee.

 

Much worse than that, they subtracted 20% of the purchase price for "open box."  They sent me a defective product then punished me for it, severely.

 

All told I lost $197 on this transaction (when I purchased the DDH-1 it was $550 - now it's $700).

 

AMI then had the gall to offer me 30% off my next AMI purchase, as if that makes up for what they've done.  I've never been treated so poorly by a company, and of course I'll never purchase anything from them again.

post #14 of 25

Be glad that it is over. I hope you avoid this kind of situation in the future.

 

Just so that I am clear about this, did you go to all this trouble to send back a $550 product because you were not happy with the "finishing"?

post #15 of 25

6moons = shill. many companies that they have favored over the years fleeced their customers, see their Raysonic coverage. you pay and they write a favorable review, see their Zu coverage.

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