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PRaT = pacing, rhythm, and timing. It refers to how fast / slow / lively the sound is, Since it refers to speed, I'm not sure how it was being differentiated from "fast," but sometimes reviewers use PRaT to refer to "musicality." Neither term is really clear.

 

HE400 is a safe choice (and you should be able to increase the padding on the headband). Look at HE300 too; it has some popularity with the Grado crowd, so I would suppose it's also good for metal. Or try SR60i with L-cushions.

 

I happen to like SRH840 as an all-rounder, but it's closed, it doesn't really stand out with any particular genre, and the headband's uncomfortable. SRH940 is comfortable and resolving, but too bright. The HE400 is a better choice than either. I haven't yet heard SRH1x40.

Since I see that some of the parts for the HE 400 have quality control issues. Example, ear pads, cable, headband etc. I tried looking on amazon to see if i could find after market accessory addons for the HE 400, but I wasn't able to find any. Do you know where I could get accessories? 

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Since I see that some of the parts for the HE 400 have quality control issues. Example, ear pads, cable, headband etc. I tried looking on amazon to see if i could find after market accessory addons for the HE 400, but I wasn't able to find any. Do you know where I could get accessories? 

 

I doubt that's true of the latest revisions too. Hifiman tends to have QC problems, but it fixes them over time. For accessories, such as velour pads, &c., you'll want to contact them directly or find an authorized retailer.

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I doubt that's true of the latest revisions too. Hifiman tends to have QC problems, but it fixes them over time. For accessories, such as velour pads, &c., you'll want to contact them directly or find an authorized retailer.

So these should do fine? 

http://www.amazon.com/HiFiMAN-HE-400-HiFiMan-Headphones/dp/B007ZG32I4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387777262&sr=8-1&keywords=hifiman+he-400

 

And these for replacement or aftermarket stuff?

http://head-direct.com/Products/?cid=3

post #19 of 60

lol hope you managed to snipe a HE400 during the black friday sale...

 

I haven't had any issues w/ mine. doubt it'll be a problem.

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lol hope you managed to snipe a HE400 during the black friday sale...

 

I haven't had any issues w/ mine. doubt it'll be a problem.

It says that you have HE 400 rev 4. How can you tell which revision you're buying? I saw them on amazon on black friday, but they weren't at a huge discounted price or anything like that. 

post #21 of 60

Since the Hifiman website is the same price, buy from them so you can be sure to get the most current version. Ask them about their return policy (so you can compare it to Amazon's).
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It says that you have HE 400 rev 4. How can you tell which revision you're buying? I saw them on amazon on black friday, but they weren't at a huge discounted price or anything like that. 

omg watta fail. you really missed out. they were $300 (that's $100 off) during black friday at numerous retailers such as razer dog audio & headamp. you really can't get more sound quality for your money at that price point.

 

you can tell the revisions # by the color of the grid thingy covering your drivers. http://www.head-fi.org/t/649464/he-400-causing-ear-fatigue#post_9127346 if you get it new, you should be getting rev4. the black is rev1 (the one w/ driver failure issues) & bone-white color is rev3 (which is the one some ppl say is too trebly).

 

it's alright though. they kinda need an amp/dac (so that would throw you over your budget) and they are non-portable. there's always next year too :)

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Since the Hifiman website is the same price, buy from them so you can be sure to get the most current version. Ask them about their return policy (so you can compare it to Amazon's).

I'd do that and all, but hifiman store says that even if you return you have to pay for shipping. So i'd have to pay for shipping to get the item and shipping back if I needed to do that. With amazon i get free 2 day shipping. I believe returning within 30 days gets you the full refund. 

post #24 of 60
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I'd do that and all, but hifiman store says that even if you return you have to pay for shipping. So i'd have to pay for shipping to get the item and shipping back if I needed to do that. With amazon i get free 2 day shipping. I believe returning within 30 days gets you the full refund. 

So go with Amazon, but it looks like a third party seller so check the reputation based on previous sales.
post #25 of 60

@Danieru, just e-mail the seller to confirm if they will be sending you the latest revision before you purchase with your credit card. after you get em & if it's not the right one, you can return it & dispute the charge as well.

 

if they are selling new HE400, you will be getting the newest revision, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.

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@Danieru, just e-mail the seller to confirm if they will be sending you the latest revision before you purchase with your credit card. after you get em & if it's not the right one, you can return it & dispute the charge as well.

 

if they are selling new HE400, you will be getting the newest revision, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.

Thanks for the tip, I'll probably end up doing that. 

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So go with Amazon, but it looks like a third party seller so check the reputation based on previous sales.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aag/main?ie=UTF8&asin=&isAmazonFulfilled=1&isCBA=&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&orderID=&seller=AKR88PAWTQVN2 I think this seller is rated well enough. 

 

I also wanted to ask do you think the he 400 requires a "burn-in" period, and would you recommend using an amp with them? 

post #27 of 60
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omg watta fail. you really missed out. they were $300 (that's $100 off) during black friday at numerous retailers such as razer dog audio & headamp. you really can't get more sound quality for your money at that price point.

 

you can tell the revisions # by the color of the grid thingy covering your drivers. http://www.head-fi.org/t/649464/he-400-causing-ear-fatigue#post_9127346 if you get it new, you should be getting rev4. the black is rev1 (the one w/ driver failure issues) & bone-white color is rev3 (which is the one some ppl say is too trebly).

 

it's alright though. they kinda need an amp/dac (so that would throw you over your budget) and they are non-portable. there's always next year too :)

Unfortunately, this is the first time I'm hearing about those stores. How come they require an amp/dac, it says it can easily be driven by a portable device, also why aren't they portable? 

 

This is the picture in the product description, so what rev. would you say this is? 

 

post #28 of 60

I was surprised when I noticed that the specs sheet states it doesn't need an amp. I took it for granted that it would need an amp anyway. Sorry.

 

Although I dislike cnet reviews for audio because they're very commercial (it's somewhat better for speakers), this report is adequate: "The HE-400 headphones are designed for use at home with a receiver or headphone amplifier due to the drivers' increased weight, but they can work with portable devices; the only drawback is that you'll experience limited volume capability with a weak-powered mobile device." Link: http://reviews.cnet.com/headphones/hifiman-he-400/4505-7877_7-35182256.html. Whilst I doubt it would sound so good off a phone, it would probably sound fine off a laptop. Try it without an amp, and add one later if you think it's needed.

 

As to DACs, I'm not "converted" yet. Many DAPs have acceptable DACs, and many computers have at least tolerable soundcards. A good soundcard is generally a better investment than a stand alone DAC. Moreover, a DAC / soundcard is obviously secondary to any amping you might want.

 

But I do believe in burn in, especially with pink noise. We just had a friendly argument about it (http://www.head-fi.org/t/696168/do-i-really-need-to-burn-in-my-headphones) that shouldn't be rehashed here. So read that thread, and decide for yourself which arguments you find persuasive.

post #29 of 60

@Danieru, if you are lookin for a pair of portable on-the-go headphones, the HE400 does NOT really fit those requirements. they are really far to large & bulky to be considered portable & their cable is quite long.

 

the HE400 actually does not technically need an amp/dac... but I have found that amping does improve its sound quality. i can play them out of my nexus 7 tablet at almost full volume for moderate listening levels. you can find a pretty cheap sub $100-amp(or amp/dac) that will really make the he400s shine.

 

for burn-in or not, I have noticed that the initial silibance that was present on two of my source files has disappeared, so perhaps they benefit from "burn-in." however, I personally do not really believe in burn-in lol.

 

hahaha for your picture, they removed the colored plastic part covering the grill, so it's hard to say. refer to the link i posted before to see the differences between revisions. perhaps that was a prototype model.

post #30 of 60
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As to DACs, I'm not "converted" yet. 


Ohhh, you will be once you hear a good one!

In any case, I second the HE-400 recommendation. I haven't had any QC issues with mine yet; it seems quite solid. 

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