Originally Posted by music_man
i mean, how i am i so much enjoying a pos?
I don't care if you took it the wrong way (and BTW, my post was not even directed at you). I will just be blunt and call you out on a few things.
Your Teac UD-501 is modded. I think you mentioned you are running a power conditioner, converting PCM to DSD in realtime, etc. Really man, you keep bringing up the Teac UD-501 as the bee-knees able to compete with some really great DACs I've heard. Except that yours is modded and you are running it under special conditions which most people do not do. That's fine if you state your disagreement with me once, twice, three times. But you keep on it over and over. Isn't there a UD-501 appreciation thread somewhere?
Where you able to do a direct shootout of the Teac UD-501 with several other DACs at the same time with a small committee of other listeners? At least you can see the pictures I posted where we've stacked up a bunch of DACs for direct comparison. And also keep in mind I've probably heard x3-4 the number of DACs / CD- Players in this list. The only reason they are not formally included is because I have never had a chance for a direct comparison to at least several other DACs in the list. And even then, I still have my own doubts on the rankings.
You mention your modded Teac UD-501 is good as the MSB Diamond. Under what conditions? Your house, dealer showroom, audio shows? What equipment was used? Headphones, speakers, amps, etc. How is it as good? Where is it better? What qualities is it worse? What do you consider the strengths of the MSD Diamond? How is your modded Teac better than the stock? Please elaborate on specific sonic qualities. In my experience, no two DACs sound exactly the same. Even the two DACs which I felt sounded spookingly closest to either other, the PWD2.02/OR5 and the Berkeley Alpha2/BADA-USB had differences. Maybe it's possible that for you, with your setups, there's isn't a big difference.
The difference between you and me (despite our personal preferences), is that I try to state why (at least in a few sentences of specifics) I feel a DAC is good or is bad. This allows the reader to understand where I am coming from and where my preferences lie. Also, you will never see me go around stating the AGD M7 or PWD2 as the absolute bees-knees to everyone. I know people who don't like certain qualities of the M7, and I know people who really dislike the PWD2. And I know the reasons why. I don't go around to threads where people dislike the PWD2 and keep on it to convince them that it's good.
Take another example: the Gungnir vs. X-Sabre. Although I prefer the Gungnir, I have actually lead people who have PM'd me in the direction of the X-Sabre based on a little Q&A with them concerning their gear, what liked before, what they didn't like, what their preferences were. I've advised people against the PWD2, against the M7, etc. in favor other other DACs I did not prefer as much.
I don't know if you have noticed the disagreements on the Gungnir with Maxvla, olor1n, Soup, etc. We totally disagree about the Gungnir, but it does seem we are hearing some of the same things. It's just that we react differently to the sonic attributes of the Gungnir. Its these things of discussions (including amp pairings, headphone pairings, USB upgrade board, etc.), breaking things down, which are most helpful to other HF'ers. In the end, I've tried to make sure that people who have gone out to purchase the Gungnir will actually liked it (assuming they have contacted me and asked me for more specifics.)
I can respect that you like the Teac UD-501 because you have tried out lots of other DACs. In that sense, you seem to the exception of most people who really really love the Teac UD-501. But one thing in general with the I've noticed with the Teac UD-501 adherents is that they haven't heard (nor even listened to) much else. In that sense, the Teac is probably a great DAC if one comes from an iPhone (brittle and bright) or a crappy cheap portable DAC. Maybe this is why the 20 people who PM'd you are afraid to speak out. They lack experience to walk the talk.
That's fine if people like the UD-501, but if you haven't figured it out by now, all I want people to do is to consider the other DACs on this list before heading straight to the Teac UD-501. It very well could be that they like the UD-501 in the end.
I will again re-iterate why I don't like the STOCK UNMODDED Teac UD-501.
- Unrefined staticky jumpy quality. Lacks a certain calmness and grace. Rough. Hard to describe. Sounds cheap, like the AUDINST HUD-MX-2. Doesn't have the control and grace of most desktop amps.
- Lean tonal balance. One the leaner sounding DACs.
- Rather poor at resolving low level information. What detail is presents is on the macro level. In fact, there seems to be a tendency to accentuate the macro-details.
To me, sonic qualities of the Teac UD-501 are simply unforgivable. This lack of "refinement" mentioned as #1 for a desktop DAC is a disgrace. It is truly a piece of ****. Of course my perception of #1 and #3 above would easily be perceived as inviting, engaging, or lively to others.
Edited by purrin - 3/8/14 at 9:56am