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For us youths (lol) who are treble shy, a DAC wont make a great "improvement" compared to an amp change?

With my current setup, especially woman voices, its almost too bright for me, to the point where its almost uncomfertable. 

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For us youths (lol) who are treble shy, a DAC wont make a great "improvement" compared to an amp change?

With my current setup, especially woman voices, its almost too bright for me, to the point where its almost uncomfertable. 

It's interesting that that's what you've taken from this thread.

 

A better dac will make the music better.  A better amp will make the dac better.

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I'm just asking here cause its an fairly active thread :D

And obviously I have very little knowledge

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I'm just asking here cause its an fairly active thread :D

And obviously I have very little knowledge

Read it.  It's a good thread.

post #380 of 6360
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It would have to be whenever someone sends it to me. I have no interest in obtaining yet another middle tier Chinese made SABRE DAC. There's too much more interesting stuff at better prices, e.g. Emotiva, which interests me at the moment.


If my dc-1 didn't arrive so late due to the new years shipping delay, I would have sent it to you before I returned it.

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Originally Posted by FredrikT92 View Post
 

For us youths (lol) who are treble shy, a DAC wont make a great "improvement" compared to an amp change?

With my current setup, especially woman voices, its almost too bright for me, to the point where its almost uncomfertable. 

 

I seem to be sensitive to treble and much prefer a smooth presentation, and I've found the DAC can make a noticeable difference in this regard. It's generally subtler than amp differences, but that subtlety can go a long way during long listening sessions or even in isolated situations (certain recordings or genres).

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Originally Posted by FredrikT92 View Post
 

For us youths (lol) who are treble shy, a DAC wont make a great "improvement" compared to an amp change?

With my current setup, especially woman voices, its almost too bright for me, to the point where its almost uncomfertable. 

 

With the Mojo and LCD2, you are at the point where DACs will start to matter. I have no idea how the Arcam sounds like so I can't calibrate to your tastes. Maybe the Metrum DACs? Or that might be too much on the laid back side. Supposedly the irDAC is forward sounding.

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Purrin,

 

What do you think of the Resonessence Concero compared to the Bifrost Uber? The cost of getting either is roughly the same here in NZ, so I guess they are on the same level.

 

 

Edit: The Bifrost Uber would be fed through Optical/Coaxial compared to the only-usb Concero.

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I can't say for sure. I've only heard the Concero briefly. Maxvla and another have said it sounds very similar to the X-Sabre, but with a little less resolving capability. I actually thought the Concero was less SABRE sounding but also flatter in the micro-dynamic sense. But again, I can't say for sure in the absence of a direct comparison using the same equipment and same exact recordings.


Edited by purrin - 1/22/14 at 4:18pm
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I can't say for sure. I've only heard the Concero briefly. Maxvla and another have said it sounds very similar to the X-Sabre, but with a little less resolving capability. I actually thought the Concero was less SABRE sounding but also flatter in the micro-dynamic sense. But again, I can't say for sure in the absence of a direct comparison using the same equipment and same exact recordings.

 

So if we classified the Concero as similar to X-Sabre, does that mean the Bifrost Uber would be better?

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Again, that depends on your preferences. I wasn't wow'd by the Concero, it was more like "hmmm" (not necessarily in a bad way). With the X-Sabre, I was like, "Hey, this is pretty good."

 

It comes down to how sensitive you are to SABRE treble weirdness which neither the Wolfson based DacMagic 100 or AKM based Modi have (although the Modi tends to sound a bit lean; lacking bass extension and power being powered by wimpy USB - all USB powered DACs I have heard exhibit this wimpy bass behavior.) Then again, to compound the issue, the Concero seems (at least sharing notes from others who have heard it) to have the least SABREish sound of the Ressossence DACs. Just thinking out loud.

 

If you could clue me in on your reference points regarding Magni, WA3, HD800, AKGQ701 experiences...


Edited by purrin - 1/22/14 at 4:32pm
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Again, that depends on your preferences. I wasn't wow'd by the Concero, it was more like "hmmm" (not necessarily in a bad way). With the X-Sabre, I was like, "Hey, this is pretty good."

 

It comes down to how sensitive you are to SABRE treble weirdness which neither the Wolfson based DacMagic 100 or AKM based Modi have (although the Modi tends to sound a bit lean; lacking bass extension and power being powered by wimpy USB - all USB powered DACs I have heard exhibit this wimpy bass behavior.) Then again, to compound the issue, the Concero seems (at least sharing notes from others who have heard it) to have the least SABREish sound of the Ressossence DACs. Just thinking out loud.

 

If you could clue me in on your reference points regarding Magni, WA3, HD800, AKGQ701 experiences...

 

I actually preferred the Modi over the DM100 to feed the WA3/HD800 combo despite it at times sound a bit weak as you said. The DM100 sounds a bit harsh to me, the treble has more sibilance. For music, I preferred Modi. Movies, DM100.

 

 

So I guess I'm looking to upgrade my music DAC, as for now I'm content with the DM100 for movies.. I heard the Concero is a very transparent DAC, which is why I'm intrigued. But then, it is a usb-powered DAC, so I guess it might sound weak like the Modi?

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If you have no major issues with the Modi, I would be hesitant to recommend anything else. I tend to take a very conservative stance toward changing DACs unless you are willing to blow chunks of cash. Most of the time it's a side-grade. But sometimes a side-grade does the trick and gets the final pieces in place.

 

I can't say I felt the Concero was a very "transparent" DAC. The few times I've heard it, it failed to really move me. That means something is missing. Only the setups in the "Very Good Stuff" (#1 to #5 as of today) and the #8 Auralic Vega are DACs I would consider "transparent", or at least transparent enough - providing enough resolution.

 

I do honestly think you can be better served by getting a better amp for your HD800s. The WA3 is more likely to be your bottleneck.


Edited by purrin - 1/22/14 at 5:14pm
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So if we classified the Concero as similar to X-Sabre, does that mean the Bifrost Uber would be better?

 

I still have my Bifrost Uber around in storage and haven't listened to is since I purchased the X-Sabre. I think I am going to get it out and see what you are all talking about.

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