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post #3136 of 6360
+1 for the Wyrd
post #3137 of 6360
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Originally Posted by Hansotek View Post


You should upgrade your ODAC with a Schiit Wyrd instead. IMO, this combo catupults ODAC several spots up the rankings. Honestly, it sounds at least as good as, if not better than the AMB Gamma 2.

Thanks, I should get one. But maybe I should also replace ODAC with modi for aesthetic reason, two schiit stacks with an ODAC looks very odd for me.

 

From what I read of their FAQs, Wyrd mostly improves crappy usb power, which may benefits ODAC and MODI, but modi 2 uses external power adapter, so my question is, does Wyrd improve Modi 2u performance?


Edited by justsven - 3/22/15 at 10:30am
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Let's cut nwavguy some slack - I never considered him a 'genius', but I admire the fact that he had the guts to make his fledgling designs public. He might not be in the same class as someone like Bruno Putzeys, but they both gave their critics something to chew on, and a lot of it must taste like humble pie. I vividly recall a forum post from a know-it-all DIYer who read Putzey's white paper and declared that it would never even get to the working prototype stage - funny how those guys never come back to accept defeat. 

 

No, that guy is a turd. The real geniuses were people like Tanget, Morsel, Chu Moy, etc. who came up with the Cmoy, MINT, META, PPA chip and buffer based amps - followed up by the likes of AMB, Cavalli, Gilmore with much more intricate and advanced designs.

 

All nwavguy did was put the volume pot between the stage which was a horrible, horrible retarded idea - do you know how many random HF'ers PM'd me on the issues this caused? The gain in many instances had to be set much lower - probably because spec sheets were wrong, opamp variation, etc. This design issue was discussed but ignored by nwavguy because wanted a 3-4db lower noise floor. Too much masturbation / measurbation.

 

I too built an headamp - based on CHA44 utilizing a similar opamps (same output). It sounded better than O2. This was before nwavguy. The point is, anyone can build an opamp based headamp.

 

The genius of nwavguy was with his marketing schitck and dscope shlong. I'm sure he's made $300,000 by now on ODAC sales.


Edited by purrin - 3/22/15 at 10:59am
post #3139 of 6360
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Originally Posted by justsven View Post
 

Thanks, I should get one. But maybe I should also replace ODAC with modi for aesthetic reason, two schiit stacks with an ODAC looks very odd for me.

 

From what I read of their FAQs, Wyrd mostly improves crappy usb power, which may benefits ODAC and MODI, but modi 2 uses external power adapter, so my question is, does Wyrd improve Modi 2u performance?

 

Many have reported that the Wyrd improved DACs that are wall-powered. It's not just a power supply, it's also a reclocker.

I would just get a regular Modi 2 and a Wyrd if you don't need optical and coax.

post #3140 of 6360
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Thanks, I should get one. But maybe I should also replace ODAC with modi for aesthetic reason, two schiit stacks with an ODAC looks very odd for me.

 

From what I read of their FAQs, Wyrd mostly improves crappy usb power, which may benefits ODAC and MODI, but modi 2 uses external power adapter, so my question is, does Wyrd improve Modi 2u performance?

 

ODAC + Wyrd is pretty good.

 

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From what I read of their FAQs, Wyrd mostly improves crappy usb power, which may benefits ODAC and MODI, but modi 2 uses external power adapter, so my question is, does Wyrd improve Modi 2u performance?

 

I suspect there could be some improvements on the USB repeater / discombobulator / reclocker. Let me plug this combo in and let you know. I wasn't a fan of the original Modi, but Modi 2 Uber is really good.

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In regards to measurements, neutrality, transparency, etc., I ate up the ODAC/O2 stuff when it was fresh on the scene. Then I heard a few products that also measured excellently in all the same areas (below the supposed point of audibility), and I was able to detect non-subtle differences. I had to throw a lot of what I thought I knew out the window.

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Originally Posted by Hansotek View Post

You should upgrade your ODAC with a Schiit Wyrd instead. IMO, this combo catupults ODAC several spots up the rankings. Honestly, it sounds at least as good as, if not better than the AMB Gamma 2.
Thanks, I should get one. But maybe I should also replace ODAC with modi for aesthetic reason, two schiit stacks with an ODAC looks very odd for me.

From what I read of their FAQs, Wyrd mostly improves crappy usb power, which may benefits ODAC and MODI, but modi 2 uses external power adapter, so my question is, does Wyrd improve Modi 2u performance?
I don't know that for sure, but the power for the usb component isn't necessarily powered by the AC power adaptor. This is true even on Schiit's more expensive designs. So, I strongly doubt they've reinvented the wheel on Modi 2U... I'm sure they would've mentioned it in the product description, if they did something so radical... It wouldn't make sense not to market it.

Still, I would imagine components that rely *solely* on USB power benefit most, performance-wise (if all other things are equal). You'd be shocked how muddy and disorganized the ODAC sounds (on it's own) after you listen to it with Wyrd for a couple of weeks. It cured my upgrade-itis for sure.
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ODAC + Wyrd is pretty good.

 

 

I suspect there could be some improvements on the USB repeater / discombobulator / reclocker. Let me plug this combo in and let you know. I wasn't a fan of the original Modi, but Modi 2 Uber is really good.

 

Really ? It was the best $200 DAC you'd ever heard a few months back  ;)

 

Schiit Wyrd+Modi (USB) :regular_smile :

Astoundingly good for the price. The Modi by itself can sound thin at times depending upon USB power quality. The Modi also has a tendency to sound imprecise or lacking in focus. The Wyrd solves these issues. 1+1 = 3 in this case. While not as good as a Bifrost Uber w/ Gen 2, the Wyrd+Modi is an very involving listen with good dynamics. While it doesn't resolve, or have the focus, smoothness, refined quality of the the best DACs, it certainly does not sound flat and boring. The Wyrd+Modi was able to keep me up until 1pm listening to music, and few DACs can do that. Hands down the best $200 DAC I've ever heard.

 

OK - that was with the Wyrd, which apparently also catapults the otherwise mediocre ODAC into the stratosphere. Granted, Modi 2 Uber + Wyrd is still chump change for many here, but then I'm the guy who felt the same way about iFi's reasonably priced iUSBPower and you've since intimated that their gear is junk. You'll forgive me if I have cause for hesitation before I pull the pin on any more toys. 

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The Wyrd + Modi2U has been working great for me, it's one of only 2 DACs I've purchased where I didn't spend a week trying to convince myself I didn't waste my money (the other being the Gamma 2). I could happily live with this.

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Really ? It was the best $200 DAC you'd ever heard a few months back  ;)

 

Schiit Wyrd+Modi (USB) :regular_smile :

Astoundingly good for the price. The Modi by itself can sound thin at times depending upon USB power quality. The Modi also has a tendency to sound imprecise or lacking in focus. The Wyrd solves these issues. 1+1 = 3 in this case. While not as good as a Bifrost Uber w/ Gen 2, the Wyrd+Modi is an very involving listen with good dynamics. While it doesn't resolve, or have the focus, smoothness, refined quality of the the best DACs, it certainly does not sound flat and boring. The Wyrd+Modi was able to keep me up until 1pm listening to music, and few DACs can do that. Hands down the best $200 DAC I've ever heard.

 

OK - that was with the Wyrd, which apparently also catapults the otherwise mediocre ODAC into the stratosphere. Granted, Modi 2 Uber + Wyrd is still chump change for many here, but then I'm the guy who felt the same way about iFi's reasonably priced iUSBPower and you've since intimated that their gear is junk. You'll forgive me if I have cause for hesitation before I pull the pin on any more toys. 

 

Obviously my above statement does not contradict what I said - that I did not care for the Modi (implication is by itself and in the context of discussion with Wyrd in post #3146). That's awesome you like the iUSBPower. I haven't heard the $199 iUSBPower (not a DAC), so I cannot say. More precisely, I said that I didn't care for any of the iDSD DACs. This is not surprising because I don't like any of the PCM179x DACs. Just this weird soft fuzzy haze of limp-dick sound. It's all relative, maybe others might feel I prefer a more "clinical" sound.

 

Finally, I don't understand why I need to forgive you. I'm not Jesus Christ - I don't have those powers of wiping your slate clean; also you are free to do or think what you wish.


Edited by purrin - 3/22/15 at 3:10pm
post #3146 of 6360
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Finally, I don't understand why I need to forgive you. I'm not Jesus Christ - I don't have those powers of wiping your slate clean; also you are free to do or think what you wish.

Wait What? Fer real?
head-fi is now dead to me.
post #3147 of 6360
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It looks like he at least updated his domain registration again - on 3/10/2015.  Maybe he's planning a comeback when he retires from his present employer.  Or perhaps he's been saving his money to purchase his own DScope (more conjecture again).

 

 

More likely an auto-renew


Yep - true that.  Still, if it was hitting his wallet and he was concerned, he'd go in and cancel it.  Or does domain registration renewal occur annually regardless of whether several years have been paid?  I've never looked at mine enough to tell.

post #3148 of 6360
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In regards to measurements, neutrality, transparency, etc., I ate up the ODAC/O2 stuff when it was fresh on the scene. Then I heard a few products that also measured excellently in all the same areas (below the supposed point of audibility), and I was able to detect non-subtle differences. I had to throw a lot of what I thought I knew out the window.


A great pleasure to read your post, sir!

post #3149 of 6360
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Originally Posted by hans030390 View Post
 

In regards to measurements, neutrality, transparency, etc., I ate up the ODAC/O2 stuff when it was fresh on the scene. Then I heard a few products that also measured excellently in all the same areas (below the supposed point of audibility), and I was able to detect non-subtle differences. I had to throw a lot of what I thought I knew out the window.

 

Me too, I didn't know what I was doing before so fancy charts it is, frequency response, blah blah blah.

 

Nowadays, if I read review, I mainly look for emotional words. If there's politely worded reservations, they are a huge red flag.

post #3150 of 6360
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I think most of us object to the way he went about it.*  He first made his name by taking that DScope his employer let him borrow (my conjecture, admittedly) and tried to fault a number of other products - including DIY-ones.  At least in the case of one particular DIY product, he wasn't even measuring it properly.

 

In some cases he also made outright challenges and tried to call people out, both designers and other high profile members of the community, on headfi as well as other audio sites. All bully tactics that really only served to bring more attention to him.

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