Originally Posted by TJ Elite
It all comes down to the search parameters, really. If a jazz novice wanted to for example get their feet wet in the realm of free jazz, RYM's first page for that genre alone would offer plenty of good music to hear. What does it matter even if some people would find certain entries debatable? You can always just move on to listen to something else.
Very nicely stated. I agree that for the novice jazz listener RYM's listing would be very useful but I can't help but say that it leaves me just scratching my head.
Originally Posted by Oregonian
Good discussion in my opinion.
Here's another question for the smart guys here - what are the "sub-genres" of jazz?
I read the terms fusion, smooth jazz, even jazz-rock above, free jazz and I wonder if someone can characterize them?
For one, I love what is currently known as smooth jazz (popularity of which I feel started in1984 with Kenny G's Songbird) with the following artists included -
And dozens more..............
I find the entire genre fascinating as it seems to be this huge umbrella name for so many types of music that are typically instrumental in nature but not exclusively.
A few jazz sub-genres and some examples of each.
Early jazz, ragtime, dixieland, traditional jazz: Jelly Roll Morton, Eubie Blake, Preservation Hall Jazz Band, Louis Armstrong's Hot Five and Hot Sevens, Sidney Bechet
Big band and small group swing, including the sub-sub-genre of swing song: Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Benny Carter, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw
Be-bop: Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, early Thelonious Monk, Bud Powell
Hard bop: Clifford Brown & Max Roach Quartet, Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers, the mid 1950s Miles Davis Quintet
Modern Jazz (the term used to refer to jazz from the late 1950s and early 1960s that was NOT either be-bop or hard bop): the late 1950's Miles Davis Quintet (as in the one that recorded "Kind of Blue"), Lennie Tristano, Sonny Rollins, most early 1960s Blue Note recordings, The Dave Brubeck Quartet
Free or avant-garde jazz: Ornette Coleman, Cecil Taylor, The Art Ensemble of Chicago, post 1964 John Coltrane
Contemporary jazz (another catch all term which refers to present day jazz that does not fit into one of the other sub-genres): Dave Douglas, Dave Holland, Charles Lloyd, Keith Jarrett
Smooth jazz: Kenny G and the other artists listed in the above quote.
Fusion: Weather Report, Return to Forever
Vocals: too damn many to list
Remember that these are only very, very broad classifications and lots of jazz recordings and musicians do not fit neatly into any one sub-genre. For example John Coltrane went from be-bop to hard bop to modern jazz to free jazz in the space of about 15 years. Duke Ellington played everything from classic big band jazz to very modern big band jazz to jazz scored for film and religious ceremonies.