@money4me247 I'm not sure what you have against the HE-4, but you have definitely made that much clear, lol. I understand where you are coming from though. There is a pretty big following for a headphone that is way under the radar, for a headphone that most would automatically assume is inferior to its brethren. What I think you're having a hard time realizing is that 95%+ of the people that have tried the HE-4 more than happy with it. Most of us (including myself) would say that it's the best headphone purchase they've made. Now as far as the HE-400i goes, here is how I would respond to your reasons to wait:
-Single ended. Who cares, the HE-4 is already single ended. 350g.
-More comfortable. I didn't realize there was a comfort issue in the first place.
-More efficient. Yes, okay, it's nice that they are moving in this direction. But... it doesn't change the fact that I'll still be using Ember and that the HE-4 doesn't not struggle as much as people think with lesser amps.
-Need a $400 amp for the HE-4. I'm not sure that this statement is worth countering. It's just bloody ignorant.
Now here are things that you should also consider:
-HiFiMan's revision history with the HE-400.
-The HE-4 is now discontinued, there won't be much stock left in the near future.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm tickled pink by these new HFM. I'm a major HFM fanboy, haha. That said, I'm just as excited as most people are (and who knows how long I'll be able to hold out before buying a pair). Still though, the HE-4 is a wonderful headphone, and truth be told, bottom line, we still know nothing about the HE-400i and HE-560. It's not really fair for you to not recommend a headphone you haven't listened to and also recommend a headphone nobody has listened to (this is also against the forum rules). Us HE-4 enthusiasts are biased for good reason. HFM produced a headphone that is easily twice as good as the HE-400 for only $50 more, yet the HE-400 thread is over 1000 pages long and the HE-4 thread is barely pushing 100. I think I speak for everyone who's had experience with both headphones when I say that this is a bit frustrating.
Errrr... totally false! LOL. I have absolutely nothing against the he-4. I am sure they are a fantastic pair of headphones & I would love to try em someday soon, esp since users such as MattTCG have a positive experience with them. I don't think I have ever made a negative comment against the he-4 in any thread on these forums. rotfl
my post was simply a response to a very specific query where an user wanted to get a complimentary pair of headphones to the HD650 & has a schitt V&M stack. my recommendation was to simply wait for the newer more efficient HE-400i to come out before making any purchase now as his current gear would be severely under-powered for the HE-4. aka wait for more options before throwing down some serious money so you don't regret it. I am really not sure where all these random assumptions & defensive/aggressive posts are coming from as I feel like my opinion is simply common sense lol.
All your random defensive arguments are kind of superfluous as I wasn't attacking the HE-4 or complaining about anything LOL. I merely pointed out the fact that the HE-4 would not be suitable for that specific user, is not what he is really looking for, and does not match his equipment. You don't need to listen to a pair of headphones when there are giant threads & tons of users incessantly explaining the amping requirements of the HE-4 (to be at least 2W at 50ohms I believe) to see that the magni or vali will be severely under-powered for these. In terms of the $400+ price of the amp... that would refer to the price of cheapest schitt amp (aka the Lyr) that can adequately power the HE-4 as the poster is a schitt fan.
It's actually hilarious to see people crawling out of the woodwork to yell at me as if I'm a HE-4 hater or a HE-400i fanboy when I am honestly excited to try both headphones, never said anything negative about either pair of headphones, and probably will not buy either in the near future due to my budget.
Personally, I think the reason that this HE-4 thread only has 100-ish posts compared to the HE-400 thread is because this thread is an EXTREMELY UNFRIENDLY place and VERY INTOLERANT of any dissenting opinions. I mean, oh my goodness, let's be real... you guys are getting defensive over a neutral post suggesting to wait for more options to come on the market before pulling the trigger on a pair of $450 headphones as the user's current equipment is underpowered for the HE-4............ if you guys cannot maturely handle that kind of common-sense recommendation for a specific situation without acting like I published dissertation on why the HE-4 sucks & view every single statement that does not fall in line with the "HE-4 are the best pair of headphones in the world" as a personal attack, people will definitely start to not take your opinions very seriously & begin to think that your opinions are extremely biased. The point of this hobby is to try new gear, find gear you are passionate about, guide other people to gear that suit their specific needs/preferences (which omg surprise - may be different from yours) based on your experiences, and most importantly... having fun & be friendly!!!
If you read the full conversation instead of making random assumptions and still think I am the one being a hype troll or bad-mannered or negative..... I am not really sure I know how to respond.
Hi, I currently have the Schiitz Vali + Modi Stack with the HD 650 and was looking into purchasing a complimentary headphone to listen to my music (predominantly pop, female vocals, etc) from a different perspective. I had heard that the HE-400s were complimentary to the HD 650, but are the HE-4's also complimentary or are they just an upgrade of the HD 650? Thanks.
I actually would imagine that the HE-400 & the HD-650 are close enough that there is no need for both. There are definitely people who prefer one over another, but the general consensus seems to be that they are alternatives rather than compliments. I think for you, that the hd650 is probably the better choice for your music preferences.
I have never heard the HE-4, but a lot of people on this thread makes it sound like the HE-4 is a giant upgrade from the HE-400s. However, it sounds like you will probably need to upgrade your equipment if you want to experience its full sound potential (aka probably at least an additional $400+ on an amp plus the HE-4's $450 sticker price = $900ish = over the HE-500 & in Audeze LCD2 price range). not worth it in my opinion.
If you really want to upgrade/find a compliment pair of headphones, I think it would be most prudent to wait for the release of the HE400i which has easy amping requirements and would most likely improve on the HE-400's sound. Sticker price for the HE-400i may be around $500-ish I believe, so that would still be cheaper than the HE-4+amp, and it would most likely be a solid upgrade in sound quality from your current headphones. The HE-400i will be extremely easy to drive & have greatly improved comfort, so I think you will definitely enjoy those the most; especially coming from the extremely light HD650s with your current amp set-up.
My personal opinion of course :)
lol you are basically on an HE-4 appreciation thread soooo.....
I personally can't really imagine a good reason not to wait for the extremely-light, more-efficient, redesigned single magnet HE-400i for only $150 more. patience is a virtue after all lol.
however, I am sure the HE-4 are a great pair of headphones, so it's really no worries at the end of the day.
Screw the 400i. Speculation and no legit reviews mean nothing. The he4 is and always will be an awesome planar. To get that efficiency from a Single sided magnet mean hfm lost something along the way. I am willing to bet the he4 kills the 400i properly amped. I'm not hopping on that hype train like you sir. Once again, patience is a virtue, and no real reviews have came out yet. The he4 will hold its value. Not to mention I don't want that abyss looking monstrosity sitting atop my head
lol... it's not jumping on a hype train. The improved comfort and improved efficiency are very real facts from user experiences at CES. Yes, the HE-400i's sound is still being tuned or whatever, but waiting to see what your options are is much smarter than throwing down money & regretting it later. After the 400i is out & you decide you still prefer the HE-4, you can snipe the HE-4 at a cheaper price as well. It's really a no-lose situation.
Blindly betting that the HE-4 will outperform the HE-400i when there is only "speculation & no legit reviews" out yet is simply foolish IMO. Claiming that your personal pick of headphones is the best before anyone has heard the sound of the updated pair of single-sided maggies is the definition of hopping on a hype train lol
Edit: I am not saying anything negative about the HE-4, I am simply advising to wait for the newer models to come out before making a choice as they are only 1-2 months away from being released. You have to realize how biased & silly the recommendation to simply buy the HE-4 without waiting sounds especially when the user does not even currently have the proper amping requirements for the HE-4...
Lol. have you heard the he-400i?
no offense, but these kinds of comments from "he-4 enthusiasts" really makes them sound really extremely biased. When is it a bad idea in the audiophile hobby to try other equipment before settling on what you like? On this thread, there seems to be a lot of intolerance towards any other opinions that is not raving about how the HE-4 is simply god's gift to mankind. If you are attacking me for recommending waiting to try out other headphones before getting the HE-4.......... o.0?
note: the question I was responding to was someone looking for a "complimentary" pair of headphones to the HD650... he wasn't even looking for an upgrade or anything specific. Spending $850+ to get the right amp + the HE-4 is extremely excessive for someone looking to just find a different sound signature. There are a ton of options out there. The HE-4 is not the right answer for every users' needs.
Edit: I've noticed that it kinda seems like the whole point of this entire thread is to simply convert as many people over to the HE-4 as possible (lol - funny as when it is titled as a comparison thread). ...and it also seems that people on this thread get extremely riled up when you do not instantly jump in line with the thread's opinion that the he-4 is "the best pair of headphones ever." i hope you guys realize that that kind of statement is extremely subjective and if someone does not buy/does not like the he-4, it doesn't mean anything, right? it really doesn't matter how many people own the he-4 or how many people like the he-4. everyone has different preferences & tastes lol, and not all headphones are suitable for everyone. ...hence this hobby, right? =P
Edited by money4me247 - 1/30/14 at 6:58pm