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post #151 of 349
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

If I get the balls, I may try some sort of grill mod.

 

I really didn't like the jerg pads (pleather) on the HE-4. I'm sure you'll have better results with the velour albeit a bit less comfortable.

 

That may be somewhat my fault...sorry. It was good for me though. 

post #152 of 349
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That may be somewhat my fault...sorry. It was good for me though. 

Haha, no worries, we all hear differently. smily_headphones1.gif
post #153 of 349

Well, i did it, no more felt, no more grills. Definitely more airy, havnt lost any bass/mids. Treble is more polite. More out of your head sound. I am wondering what that felt was doing there. I loved the he4 before, but this is like icing on the cake. These hps just amaze me every time i get the chance to sit back and listen with them. A fantastic track to show them off is Days of the new- touch, peel, and stand. The acoustic guitar just sounds insane on these. I think ill grab my extra screen and go find some mesh and make a nice grill for these now. I am going to miss how that felt looked though.

post #154 of 349

another great track- between the buried and me - colorblind. A fantastic cover of a fantastic song in the first place. Love me some counting crows.

post #155 of 349
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post
 

Well, i did it, no more felt, no more grills. Definitely more airy, havnt lost any bass/mids. Treble is more polite. More out of your head sound. I am wondering what that felt was doing there. I loved the he4 before, but this is like icing on the cake. These hps just amaze me every time i get the chance to sit back and listen with them. A fantastic track to show them off is Days of the new- touch, peel, and stand. The acoustic guitar just sounds insane on these. I think ill grab my extra screen and go find some mesh and make a nice grill for these now. I am going to miss how that felt looked though.


Hey Thujone, bust out the screw driver man. I'm telling you, this HP takes on a different personality when the felt and grill comes off Lol.

Glad to hear you're enjoying them Hemi. Are you using velour or pleather pads? Like I said, all late last night and early this morning I was picking my jaw off the floor the sound was just amazing. If you liked the HE4 before, wait til you hear the HE4 after the mod. It's almost like the HE4 were purposely tuned down... I dunno :wink_face: 

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This guy from the HE400 thread seem to be onto something:

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Originally Posted by amigomatt View Post


Yeah, Fang knows his stuff well enough to subtly flaw an almost great headphone enough to make you want to upgrade even when the can you bought was already over your budget. Headfi genius right there.
 


Not saying that it's on purpose, that star felt, but if it is....well if it is then I'd say it puts the pecking order on the line-up proper. :)


Edited by Soundsgoodtome - 1/10/14 at 9:17pm
post #156 of 349

TO ME, its not that drastic of an improvement. Thujone, id be glad to send you my he4 as is in short trade for that ember!!!. But seriously, It does alter the sound, but not the signature. It just improves slightly upon its characteristics. I have used nothing but acoustic music to check its tonality, airyness and instrument separation,  I really like what im hearing, it does bring guitars closer to that lush realistic grado sound. The spectrum evens out slightly, that treble really does settle down. I am kind of a treble head, but i like what im hearing here. It retains most of the treble detail but rolls off a little more from what my ears are telling me, 3 brews in of course. It just has, well, more of a speaker sound now.

post #157 of 349
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post
 

TO ME, its not that drastic of an improvement. Thujone, id be glad to send you my he4 as is in short trade for that ember!!!. But seriously, It does alter the sound, but not the signature. It just improves slightly upon its characteristics. I have used nothing but acoustic music to check its tonality, airyness and instrument separation,  I really like what im hearing, it does bring guitars closer to that lush realistic grado sound. The spectrum evens out slightly, that treble really does settle down. I am kind of a treble head, but i like what im hearing here. It retains most of the treble detail but rolls off a little more from what my ears are telling me, 3 brews in of course. It just has, well, more of a speaker sound now.



Almost makes you wonder what they'd sound like through an able tube amp. More luscious perhaps? I like it the way it is now but I just wonder if it would be a really good compliment to the modded HE4. (My wallet says "settle down there bud") Why didn't I do this before the meet where I had an opportunity to try all those tube amps, I have no idea. And what about a partial felt where most of the driver is exposed but the outer perimeter? Would that give an in-between sound with less roll-off but a polite treble? Who knows. For now, enjoy it!

Anywho, just for giggles, try putting that stock grill with dust cover back on. You'll find that treble to take a backseat to almost being inaudible. I'm a little shocked to see that grill on the new 560 and 400i...

Also: although the change isn't drastic it would be enough to say that what Head-fiers spend to achieve that level of improvement going from one HP to another with the price difference and diminishing returns, is impressive for taking out a piece of felt and a grill. And TO ME, usually liking a darker phone and being somewhat sensitive to sibilance... it's bliss.


Edited by Soundsgoodtome - 1/10/14 at 9:30pm
post #158 of 349

the grill is more than likely so they dont have to worry about people sending back broken HPs under warranty due to misuse or mishandling. Im sure its not for sonic quality.

post #159 of 349
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post
 

the grill is more than likely so they dont have to worry about people sending back broken HPs under warranty due to misuse or mishandling. Im sure its not for sonic quality.

 

True but it alters sound so much you'd think they'd do something about it on the new line. First thing I asked when I saw that CES headfi thread: "Those grills again?"

post #160 of 349
Ya, but to be rigid and protective with a more open sound would mean more money. Its easy enough for us to take those things off and put in screen from a pencil holder. Then, its not on them if the hp breaks, its on us. The removal of the grill adds that slight, but somewhat major improvement in both the 400 and 4 from my own experience. The felt, I'm not sure what did it to the sound because I did ot all at once. But, its off, and I enjoy the improvements I've gained. They're not this vast change in sound, but damn those subtle changes are good. I put the grills back on for 30 seconds, then threw them off. The change is greater, or more noticeable on the 4 than it was on the 400. But perhaps its because the 4 is a more detailed hp and its easier to pickout the change. Either way, the removal of the grill and felt is a keeper for sure.
post #161 of 349
Oh and soundsgoodtome, I'm using velours, as all I have is those and some poorly made velour topped jergs. Havnt even tried those yet.
post #162 of 349
Thread Starter 

Damn, you guys are making a pretty convincing argument... I'll at least do some listening without the grills sometime soon. As for the felt, we'll see :o

post #163 of 349
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Ok, I took the grills off and did a little bit of A/B by holding them on with my fingers and letting them fall back out. Yes, they are more open sounding without the grills, but it's so minute that I would rather take the protection and look of the grills over the lack thereof. As far as the felt goes... I don't think I'll attempt that, at least no time soon. These cans are very well on their last stages of production and I'm not about to do an irreversible mod that may not be to my liking. Too scary!

post #164 of 349
Its reverseable if you're careful. Mine is fully intact. But, I probably would have left it just for looks alone. Oh well, I love them, and won't ever sell them.
post #165 of 349
See, reversible, fully intact
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