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Here is the impressions/pictures thread

 

My impressions 

 

I got to hear a 009/kgss combo IT was really really good. The sound from that setup is amazing, But I doubt I could or will ever spend that amount of money on that type a of setup. Also it did seem a little to good for my tastes.  Though the sound was just to good I like to have fun when i am listening to music and i just did not have fun with them its the same way with me and HD800 just way to analytic for me. For Chase and Cory though those guys were loving that thing.  AGAIN excellent headphone construction was amazing. Awesome comfort. Just that price. I just could never justify that price ever. Chase I want to thank you for letting me listen to those amazing headphones and you sound extremely happy with them, Hope you have them when you get back to Ohio from your "deployment". 

 

HD800's I want to revisit these I hate the HD800 out of a DNA Sonett it is just to boring for me and (EDIT this part out) (again though the sound was  amazing it just was not for me at all, BUT) the HD800 through the SPL Phonitor is ******* AMAZING, I really really liked playing around with all the settings and eventually i found the ones that liked that brought the HD800 to life for me what ever they were lol amazing Headphones and amp combo Cory please get that amp ;)

 

HD700's I wanted to confirm that those were the Open headphones that i wanted to match with my Darth Beyers. But i am conflicted now because I heard another,which I will talk about next.  But the HD700 has enough detail that I like and its fun enough not to put me to sleep the HD700/Phonitor setup is amazing as well, all the settings are just fun to play with. 

 

HE500, Jeff really?  Really why did you do that to me I was nearly set on the HD700 with price drop and all and then the sound was so good. And then you had to bring these gems, lol. Thank you those things sounded so nice next to my Darth's I really really really like the match that I had similar sounding open can with a lot more detail and can get as low as the darths and still sound amazing. Though these headphones were probably the second loudest leaking headphones next to the 009's, I think that is a compromise I can deal with. 

 

Darth Beyers. DAT bass it is just sooo fun I really like the lows and how they don't "really" cover up any of the other frequencies to badly. Its a nicely done Headphone and if you have not gave them a fair shake do it. you may be surprised just dont go into these headphones and expect something like a 009/hd800 sound wise, Expect to have your head shaking back and forth from the bass hitting your face. 

 

HD600's Again such a good headphone the bass was tight not darkish/veiled as bad as a HD650, great detail and scales amazing the better amps you hook up to it.  I got to hook it up to a DNA Sonett which sounds good kinda warmish boring sound. The Mjolnir sounds even a little more flat still kinda boring. The Phonitor sound was just a very pleasing sound, plus you have so many knobs to change. But I think the best sound for me was the Bottlehead Crack for me anyway it was fun and pleasing to my ears If you have say 600-800 bucks pick up this combo for max Fun. if you want to spend another 200-300 get the Mjolnir, I would say if you like to be analytic with your music.

 

There were a couple of orthos there as well that were extremely uncomfortable dont remember the names. They did sound really ok though nothing to write home about, but more like nothing to complain about either. They just sounded really ok given enough power they were the funnest uncomfortable headphones i have ever tried

 

HD650 I did not spend to much time with them this time, Really just a song from an REGA RP1 and Valhalla. That Schiit was really good Schiit Tad on the darker side not really bad though.  

 

Mad Dogs 3.0 Not sure how these compare to normal TR50p but they sounded really good to me kinda like a Darth Beyer extremely modified stock headphone made to sound better then the original. I like the lows on these and the over all sound was very nice.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by lord_tris - 11/29/13 at 6:14pm
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Cutting sections out of that post to respond to on the iPod is not gonna happen so too bad!

Are you insane thinking the super bass of the Darths doesn't interfere with the mid bass? It's like a huge shelf 10 db up, and too far up at that. The music I know well now sounds like the men's voices dropped a register as if they hit puberty again. So happens they and the HD 600s are plugged into Mjolnir right now getting a little comparison. Definite U shape but the left side of the U is twice as high. I know, they're fun. Sure, fine. You went from treble blaster Grado Magnums to fat as hell bass pumpers. The HD 700 is a good compromise between that with an increase in clarity or transparency, and comfort. Unmatched in the comfort by everything in my opinion.

I didn't try the Phonitor I don't think. Which is fine because I don't like knobs and DSP software if that's how they do it. Just a thing of mine. I have read quite a few posts saying it's nice with the 800s.

Even though I have only the DNA Sonett and 800s which are yeah, only so good, I wasn't blown away by the Stax 009. I was impressed yeah, but I sure as hell better be! Without intimately knowing the music, I can only make generalizations. Yeah it was good. But is no way three times better than a HD 800. Yes I know you can't do that but I just did. It ain't even twice as good. Not even one time better. Therefore beyond rationalizing. No recorded music is worth that price of equipment in my opinion. Be it CD source, vinyl, amp, speaker or headphone. A ~$4200 entire system makes more sense to me. But I'm not Chase, so more power to you my friend.

Besides I'm happiest with the Mjolnir and modest HD 600s out of my collection. I didn't expect it to go that way, it just did.

I think the trick is the beer. A few and things sound better and better. Few more and it all sounds great! One more and I'm asleep. smily_headphones1.gif
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I am not saying Darth's are awesome headphones for everyone, They are what they are, and that is yummy lows, not the most accurate but they are fun and that is exactly why i like them, I never ever want to tear apart music i just like listening to it and if it makes me smile i am super happy.  The hd700 did that for me to until I tried that HE500 now I dont know which one I like better.  

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I am not saying Darth's are awesome headphones for everyone, They are what they are, and that is yummy lows, not the most accurate but they are fun and that is exactly why i like them, I never ever want to tear apart music i just like listening to it and if it makes me smile i am super happy.  The hd700 did that for me to until I tried that HE500 now I dont know which one I like better.  

 

Yeah, everyone has their preferences. And I think that showed quite easily at the meet. The Darth's were definitely fun, no doubt about that. Bass lovers rejoice. The HD700 has really sparkly treble. Yay details! I'm with you on the fact that I want to enjoy my music. And for me personally I want to hear all of my music. So I love balanced, revealing signatures. That's why I can't wait to turn my Mad Dogs into Alphas. I enjoyed the Darths, and I enjoyed the HD700, but personally I feel I wouldn't own either. Now if I buy a Phonitor down the road, that may change :p

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I guess what gets me is they don't make instruments or voices sound correct.  Playing something you'd play in/on a car stereo and they do their thing alright.  It's your stuff, doesn't matter.  

 

I didn't give the 500 a chance or if I did it wasn't very long.  Which might mean I gave it my usual meh, as that seems to happen a lot.  :veryevil:

 

Missed the Mad Dogs, too, which I was fairly anxious about hearing because I'm quite curious about the Alphas.

 

Wish I heard the Mjolnir next to the Crack with my 600s.  I was probably checking out the back of my eyelids and missed the chance.  

 

Rega Rp3 Schiit Valhalla rig was cool.  Pleasant.  RP3 with OTL tubed to 650 is pretty easy to guess what it would sound like, and it did.  And that's a good thing.  I know that live acoustic guitar album well on SACD, and you've got good timbre there.  Next step up Alex is all in the cartridge.  Up and up and up before anything else, vinyl truly is a good argument for source first, which unfortunately is a wallet killer.

 

AKG 550 out of the Crack was hilarious!  Never heard anything like that before.  You could almost be proud of how bad it is.  :tongue_smile: 

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Missed the Mad Dogs, too, which I was fairly anxious about hearing because I'm quite curious about the Alphas.

 

They were getting a fair deal of head time while you were cuddling Chase's SR-009 on the couch.

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They felt so nice.  :biggrin:

 

Like cuddling with the cute lamb that hadn't died yet to give up some skin for the pads.

 

Mmmmmmm, warm.

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HD800's I want to revisit these I hate the HD800 out of a DNA Sonett it is just to boring for me and again though the sound was amazing 

 

 

 

:blink:  Biggest derp I've read from you, and you've had a few.  :tongue_smile:

 

What knobs you turn to make it better out of the Phonitor?

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I liked the Maddogs, But for me a highly modded version of a "lower" end headphone is going to get you so far ie darths,maddogs,magnums.  These are all great headphones i have either heard or owned all of them but comparing them to a "higher end" production can is really not fun for me. The aforementioned are good in their own right, They are big improvements over the stock cans for sure. But i would not say they would compete well against the a tried true can. I am sure it takes Millions and millions to develop a headphone, for some smart guy or someone with lots of time on their hands, to add a few more things to make it sound better for a small cliche of people does not make it a really good headphone.  I mean for every magnum that is built imagine how many Sr80's were sold and how many of those people are extremely happy with those Sr80's i know i was for nearly 8 years i had the same set,  they are not the end all be all but they had their sound and it sounded good was it a reference can no, but that has and will never mean anything to me same as charts or specs its the sound in the purest for me to smile, thats what I am after. and if that means i own Darth Beyers and that makes me smile boy oh boy. For me what they do right for me is more then enough to look over slight things that dont matter to me ;) :)  ;)

 

Things that I think that I can take away from my meets are these:

The people in this community are very fun to be around  

 

AMPs are the most important thing to me, my reasoning is this you   can not take Great Headphone and hook it up to crappy AMP you will hear it.  on the other hand you can hook up a crappy headphone to a Great amp and it will sound better/show you what is wrong with said crappy headphone. 

 

Sources are the second most import thing to me

 

Headphones are last no you dont need the most expensive headphone on the market to be happy with music find your sound signature.

 

Headphone/amp matching is important ie some headphones truly sound like poo with some amps 

 

The Source should be as neutral/uncolored/flat/transparent as possible

 

Tube amps are amazing works of art and sound paired with the right headphone

 

Cables do have a different sound several guys have heard it at my place.  Is it enough to say spend 500 bucks on 3ft pair of rca's NO thats just dumb.

 

I am not an Audiophile guy, I am a, does it make me smile guy.  I think that counts more.  So if I say something that I like or dislike about a headphone take it with grain of salt or try it your self you may or may not be surprised. I am not always right, but I am right for me. 


Edited by lord_tris - 11/29/13 at 6:45pm
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HD800's I want to revisit these I hate the HD800 out of a DNA Sonett it is just to boring for me and again though the sound was amazing

 

 

 

:blink:  Biggest derp I've read from you, and you've had a few.  :tongue_smile:

 

What knobs you turn to make it better out of the Phonitor?

DNA Sonett it is just to boring for me and again though the sound was amazing it just was not for me at all

 

Its not a Derp its my opinion, It is a good match, not nearly the best for me. the phonitor and the HD800 is way better sounding can i stick some crazy number on it or explain it nope but the HD800 made me smile through the Phonitor it does absolutely nothing for me from the DNA

 

You kinda missed a lot of words there ;)


Edited by lord_tris - 11/26/13 at 6:29pm
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The phonitor has to many for me to remember what the name was or what setting it was on. but i know turning on the crossfeed one was the biggest difference it made the HD800 sound nice.

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I think I'm misunderstanding hating something you find amazing.  :biggrin:

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I think I'm misunderstanding hating something you find amazing.  :biggrin:

Hate is such is a harsh word huh, I dislike them. The combo just does not work for me it does sound amazing and I can see why other people like you and others that have heard this like it. It just does not make me smile. But because it does not make me smile.  Does not mean I can not see why or how it can make another person smile.


Edited by lord_tris - 11/29/13 at 6:48pm
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Impressions?  I have a few...

 

First off, the Stax 009s.  First impressions were underwhelming.  Later on when everyone else left to another room and I got to listen to my music on them for a good 10-15 minutes trying different songs I really started to appreciate them.  I know they're not everyone's thing, but speaking as someone who likes hearing the details of the music, I will unashamedly say they are definitely one of if not the best sounding headphones I've ever heard.  That said, to my ears, an HD800 with a good amp gives me at least 95% of that listening satisfaction so there is almost no circumstance under which I could justify the massive price gap unless I lived in a position where I could have a five car garage with five different colors of Bugatti in it or something like that.

 

Speaking of the HD800s, I still want a pair of those.  As I had hoped, I got a chance to listen to the RP3 through the Sonnett and the HD800s and it put a smile on my face.  I'm not in any position to afford it right now, but if I could afford a better amp and the 800s, I think I would be set in the vinyl department for decades.  Still, I want to compare the RP3 to a VPI turntable to hear the difference, so Cory you and I need to figure out a time to set up and do some comparison listening.

 

On a related note, the big surprise for me that really impressed me at this meet was the Phonitor.  Admittedly, I didn't  play around with all the settings much, but I had heard they combo'd well with the 800s and listening to them together made me agree.  The best way I can describe it is that the soundstaging and instrument separation reminded me of listening to something through balanced, but the Phonitor only has single ended.  I don't know if I'd get one because of the weird thing with only having balanced in and single ended outs, but that's definitely a great combo that puts the amp on my radar.

 

As a final note, I'm hoping to get a chance to do some Schiit comparisons with the Vali next time, but this time cemented in my head that the Mjolnir is a damned good amp.  A setup as simple as the Mjolnir going to balanced HD600s with various sources sounded great and is probably as good as it gets without sinking much higher sums of money into amps and cans.  I'm pretty sure that was a general consensus by the end of the night.

 

That's all I got.  Thanks to everyone who showed up and thanks to Jason for putting it all together.

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I want to compare the RP3 to a VPI turntable to hear the difference, so Cory you and I need to figure out a time to set up and do some comparison listening.

 

... but this time cemented in my head that the Mjolnir is a damned good amp.  A setup as simple as the Mjolnir going to balanced HD600s with various sources sounded great and is probably as good as it gets without sinking much higher sums of money into amps and cans.  I'm pretty sure that was a general consensus by the end of the night.

Sure.  But unless it's much warmer outside, we'll do it at your place as currently it's only 45 in here.  I don't turn on my heat, though I suppose I could.  We could even put your Elys cart on my table.  Putting my Sonata1 on yours probably needs a VTA adjustment, which as you know about the Regas... and I have the VPI 16.5 cleaner we can hit your vinyl with.

 

My vinyl set up is the Traveler to Sonett to 800s.

 

The Mjolnir is a good amp.  600s are definitely good headphones.  And together they're definitely a good pairing.  I would tell anyone who is willing to spend $750 or even more for an amp, this is what to try/get.  And I'd tell people willing to spend $500 to save up for longer and it'll be worth it and you'll be done for a long time, maybe forever.  I'd also tell people willing to spend ~$1200 total that they need to hear the two together.  I have no desire for anything else other than a Stratus, which is 3.6 times more money.  So yeah, no hurry to change much of anything any time soon.  Except balancing the HD 800 to use with it also, which might be a different story.


Edited by Eee Pee - 11/27/13 at 3:20pm
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