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post #136 of 297
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It certainly is.
Personally, my biggest criticism of the Prime is it only has USB digital input and analog input. I would personally never get a DAC that didn't have a few SPDIF inputs, coaxial and Toslink.

Mind you, I've never heard the Prime!
post #137 of 297
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It certainly is.
Personally, my biggest criticism of the Prime is it only has USB digital input and analog input. I would personally never get a DAC that didn't have a few SPDIF inputs, coaxial and Toslink.

Mind you, I've never heard the Prime!

 

My problems with the Prime is that one will need to spend an extra $1250 to optimize the sound quality of an already expensive device.  I'm not saying that the stock Prime sounds bad due to wall wart, but to sound its very best...another $1250?  That's just not a good value IMO. 

 

Hope everyone is enjoying their holidays :normal_smile : and happy listening to all.

post #138 of 297
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Merry Christmas everyone and best wishes to you and your family this Yuletide.

I am slightly bemused by the vehement criticism levelled at this product. As magazine reviews have been very positive, as have online audio websites and folks who've purchased it and contributed their thoughts in this thread. Yes, it is very expensive and could arguably have incorporated a much better power supply for the price, but we're not forced or coerced to buy it are we?!? So why not allow folks that actually own it to extol it's sonic virtues without sniping about the wall wart or the cost.

 

The fact is this product has a wall wart. It is also a fact that this is pretty much unheard of for a product at that price level. If you call stating these undisputed facts "vehement criticism", then I wonder what your agenda is.

 

If you want a balanced discussion of a product, then surely you should allow people to state everything, warts and all? If not, how can the discussion be balanced?

 

How much attention do I pay to magazine reviews of products that are usually featured on one or two page ads in the same magazines? None, for obvious reasons.

 

This product is what it is and it is clearly well suited to a certain group of users. Good on Meridian for finding and exploiting that niche.

post #139 of 297
I'm not disputing that the Prime uses a wall wart and have no agenda whatsoever. I was merely pointing out that it's not very rational to criticise an audio product for using a wall wart merely because of what it is, especially when thread contributors who actually own the Prime have unanimously praised it's sonic attributes.

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The fact is this product has a wall wart. It is also a fact that this is pretty much unheard of for a product at that price level. If you call stating these undisputed facts "vehement criticism", then I wonder what your agenda is.

If you want a balanced discussion of a product, then surely you should allow people to state everything, warts and all? If not, how can the discussion be balanced?

How much attention do I pay to magazine reviews of products that are usually featured on one or two page ads in the same magazines? None, for obvious reasons.

This product is what it is and it is clearly well suited to a certain group of users. Good on Meridian for finding and exploiting that niche.

Edited by smial1966 - 12/28/13 at 10:29am
post #140 of 297
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I'm not disputing that the Prime uses a wall wart and have no agenda whatsoever. I was merely pointing out that it's not very rational to criticise an audio product for using a wall wart merely because of what it is, especially when thread contributors who actually own the Prime have unanimously praised it's sonic attributes.
Actually, it would be irrational to NOT discuss it.

Performance be damned, there is no pixie dust or other magical items in this product that make it cost as much as it does with a wall wart. There is also virtually no R+D in this product. It is priced by reputation and expected market alone, not by what it consists of. That is the problem most people have with it.

The price of the separate power supply is also ridiculous, considering the talk I am hearing about the pricing for an extra power supply unit for the Eddie Current Leviathan build which is much larger and higher grade and will be around $600.

Meridian will sell these to people who read audio rags or have a speaker rig with their components (and too much money), but I doubt they sell many to headphone enthusiasts.
post #141 of 297
"Performance be damned". Really?!? So by what criteria do you judge gear by if not how it sounds?

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Actually, it would be irrational to NOT discuss it.

Performance be damned, there is no pixie dust or other magical items in this product that make it cost as much as it does with a wall wart. There is also virtually no R+D in this product. It is priced by reputation and expected market alone, not by what it consists of. That is the problem most people have with it.

The price of the separate power supply is also ridiculous, considering the talk I am hearing about the pricing for an extra power supply unit for the Eddie Current Leviathan build which is much larger and higher grade and will be around $600.

Meridian will sell these to people who read audio rags or have a speaker rig with their components (and too much money), but I doubt they sell many to headphone enthusiasts.
post #142 of 297
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"Performance be damned". Really?!? So by what criteria do you judge gear by if not how it sounds?

 

Lots of things.   Price performance ratio.   Build quality.   Features.   Reliability.   Customer service.   Cosmetics - I personally see no need to spend my money on gear that I find ugly when there is so much nice looking gear out there. 

 

I would never buy a product >$500 that has a wall wart.   It's a poor design and shows a lack of judgement on the part of the manufacturer, IMHO.   If they'll do that, what else will they do? 

post #143 of 297
Addressing your purchasing criteria... Admittedly the Prime is overpriced and I wouldn't buy it, but I don't think that it's build quality can be faulted nor it's feature set or reliability, certainly not judging by Meridians excellent reputation for gear longevity and customer service. Aesthetically I find the Prime to be somewhat bland but not ugly by any means.

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Lots of things.   Price performance ratio.   Build quality.   Features.   Reliability.   Customer service.   Cosmetics - I personally see no need to spend my money on gear that I find ugly when there is so much nice looking gear out there. 

I would never buy a product >$500 that has a wall wart.   It's a poor design and shows a lack of judgement on the part of the manufacturer, IMHO.   If they'll do that, what else will they do? 
post #144 of 297
Purely as an aside and by no means wishing to derail this thread, I'm far more excited by the forthcoming Chord Hugo with it's headphone amp, DSD DAC and battery power. Quoted to retail at £1,200 it's by no means cheap but does have a comprehensive feature set.
post #145 of 297
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I would never buy a product >$500 that has a wall wart.   It's a poor design and shows a lack of judgement on the part of the manufacturer, IMHO.   If they'll do that, what else will they do? 

 

Use an Alps pot and provide very limited connectivity.

post #146 of 297
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Use an Alps pot and provide very limited connectivity.

Nothing is wrong with using an Alps RK27 though.  Many highend mfgs still use them.  For instance, the April Music DP-1 also use RK27. 

post #147 of 297
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I'm not disputing that the Prime uses a wall wart and have no agenda whatsoever. I was merely pointing out that it's not very rational to criticise an audio product for using a wall wart merely because of what it is, especially when thread contributors who actually own the Prime have unanimously praised it's sonic attributes.

AMEN!

 

I own MANY personal audio product that utilize walwarts

And it's hang-ups like this that derail us from one of our COLLECTIVE goals:

Connecting with the MUSIC!

 

Right??

 

For me, like smial1966  it seems, its the musical performance of the product that matters!

I mean, EVERYBODY jumped on the async bandwagon so fast - not realizing it's not just the ONE thing,

it's the implementation that matters!

 

Case in point:

The CEntrance DACport (isochronous) had one of the lowest jitter measurements John Atkinson ever came across!

 

Also - thing like the iFi iCAN utilize a wallwart - and I find that headphone amp to be seductively musical.

 

and I just got to hear the Meridian for the first time, so I only have initial impressions:

But it sounded CLEAN, dynamic, and downright fun to listen to!

It MAY be a bit over-analytical for me, but I'm going to borrow it to find out.


Edited by mikemercer - 12/29/13 at 12:59am
post #148 of 297
Comparing a $250 product with a wall wart and a $2000 product with a wall wart, nice.

Please stop with the multiple all caps words in your posts. It should be used for emphasis, but when you do it in every sentence, it no longer emphasizes anything but your lack of tact. The constant twitter tagging is also distracting since you aren't actually using twitter here.
post #149 of 297
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Comparing a $250 product with a wall wart and a $2000 product with a wall wart, nice.

Please stop with the multiple all caps words in your posts. It should be used for emphasis, but when you do it in every sentence, it no longer emphasizes anything but your lack of tact. The constant twitter tagging is also distracting since you aren't actually using twitter here.

didn't compare them,

just said I don't see how a wall wart factors in.

 

and I wasn't Twitter-tagging - tried to tag smial1966 as I have done many times (tag another member)

don't know what happened there.

and I don't see how doing this once constitutes "constant", but OK.

 

My utmost apologies if the all-caps bothered you.

Being a writer for a living- I use a different style of expression here in the forums,

never had a complaint before. I post from the gut, as I do in my writing.

 

But I'll keep it down here if it bothers you.

 

My point in mentioning both those products was that both utilized wall warts and both have brought me joy when listening.

Of course, as stated, my impressions of the Meridian were merely initial.

 

I didn't think of the price - just like I never wanna hear what a component costs when I first hear it for review, as I don't want that intel to color my view of the product until I've lived with its performance. That's a tenant I learned from my mentor, and I think it works rather well.


Edited by mikemercer - 12/29/13 at 1:07am
post #150 of 297
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Comparing a $250 product with a wall wart and a $2000 product with a wall wart, nice.

Please stop with the multiple all caps words in your posts. It should be used for emphasis, but when you do it in every sentence, it no longer emphasizes anything but your lack of tact. The constant twitter tagging is also distracting since you aren't actually using twitter here.

DUDE, I think it's JUST YOU.  I have NO idea who you THINK you are, but you MUST be someone who likes POPPING balloons JUST to see them DEFLATE.

 

#overlysensitivemuch #rememberotherstuffonlybothersyoulikecenterstageissues #curmudgeonlyaudiophileiscurmudgeon

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