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post #2596 of 7658
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Originally Posted by stuartmc View Post


You're right. The appropriate competition would be the X-5 or the DX-90. The only reason I did is because member karloil specifically asked me for the comparison.

fair enough.

Comparing the X1 to my X5...the X5 beats it, hands down. But man, for the $100 pricetag, the X1 is phenomenal value. But I do reckon the X1 needs an amp with a bass boost. On my X5 I'm using the E12 to give a bit more kick down low

post #2597 of 7658
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Originally Posted by TheoS53 View Post
 

fair enough.

Comparing the X1 to my X5...the X5 beats it, hands down. But man, for the $100 pricetag, the X1 is phenomenal value. But I do reckon the X1 needs an amp with a bass boost. On my X5 I'm using the E12 to give a bit more kick down low

I agree. The X1 is ridiculously good for $100.  If it was a little smaller and had a clip of some sort, I would keep it for gym use.  No question it outperforms the Sansa Clip+, but since the gym is not critical listening for me, I will go with the Clip's size/weight convenience. 

post #2598 of 7658
I typically use the pop preset on my X5 when I want more bass, and have stopped strapping my E12 on unless I'm listening in a stationary setting, just too much bulk for walking.
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I don't know if it was reported but the X1's EQ (presets) doesn't lower the output like the X5.
post #2600 of 7658
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Originally Posted by jaxz View Post

I don't know if it was reported but the X1's EQ (presets) doesn't lower the output like the X5.

Have you heard it clip? I wonder if they applied a preamp on the output.
post #2601 of 7658
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Originally Posted by x RELIC x View Post

Have you heard it clip? I wonder if they applied a preamp on the output.

No clip. But i tried the presets briefly. No clips at moderate to high output levels (60-80/100) during 5 minutes playing with the EQ.
Edited by jaxz - 10/1/14 at 5:45pm
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Received my X1 yesterday and I'm a little disappointed in the software. I haven't owned a fiio player before so was unaware that it's basically just a file browser (i have more than 5000 tracks on my 128gb sd card).

 

It sounds great and the strange 'metal alloy' case is nice too, i just can't get around my collection as easily as I am used to. The scroll wheel doesnt have any 'acceleration' when navigating lists and the media library maxes out at 5800 tracks and doesn't show everything on the card.

While it doesn't have as much punch as my e18 kunlun I cannot fault the sound. For the price it is unbeatable.

 

If i weren't such a newb on these forums I'd sell it here. I'd feel bad returning it to Tinbel (I bought on amazon) but right now I think it's going to gather dust for me.  My eye now turns to the Sony NWZ-A17

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Originally Posted by Richsvt View Post
 

I looked into this thread and some others and have read conflicting information regarding the use of format on the Micro SD cards.

I know that the X1 will read Fat32 format as this is what is needed for the FW updates as well. I have also read that it can read ExFat format but will not allow the FW update to be written to that format.

 

I am still waiting on my X1 and have my 64G cards already filled waiting for its arrival. They were pre-formatted as ExFat. So I am hoping that I don't need to erase those and reformat and then load all my music back. I think I have a smaller 8G card that I can use exclusively for the FW updates and format that to Fat.

 

Can anyone confirm any of this for me?

 

 

I found that it's fine reading fat, fat32 and ntfs. It would not read my 128gb exFat card, i had to reformat it as NTFS and recopy everything over again.

post #2604 of 7658
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Originally Posted by stuartmc View Post

Im a bit overwhelmed with the practice right now, so I may not get around to a more serious writing of my impressions till next week. To help you with your decision making, I'll give you the reader's digest condensed version.   The AP100 is simply outstanding in almost every way. The build quality and UI are first rate - the latter being much simpler and easier to navigate than the X1. Im just not a fan of the wheel and the AP's "back" button makes life so much easier.  The Hidizs AP100 is sooo much better in sound quality that I'm rethinking what I got the X1 for and whether I should keep it all. To my ears, the AP100 sounds more like a great analog rig compared to earlier digital- so much more listenable. (Pardon that analogy, but I'm an older guy and wore the high-end audio reviewer hat for many years).  When you set the SRC to 24 bit 192KHz, its game over.  There's more fine detail presented in a relaxed, natural way. Everything just sounds more real - more you're there, there. The soundstage is wider and deeper than the X1 and ambient sounds seem to peek up out of the noise floor and reveal themselves.  The Chesky Binaural Sound Show disc shows this quite effectively. When Dr. Chesky starts on the far left and right and walks up to the binaural head and whispers in the ear, only the AP100 resolves this believably.  In fact, the X1 makes it sound more like the approach is from 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock, respectively, and the whisper in the ear comes directly from the side at 9 and 3 o'clock. The AP100, on the other hand, sounds more like a 9 and 3 o'clock approach and the ear whisper is clearly being made from slightly behind the ear, say, 8 and 4 o'clock, like Dr. Chesky is standing slightly behind the head and leaning into the ear.   How is this difference between the DAP's possible?  Well, like I said, I believe the AP100 resolves more fine details and those low level ambient sounds - reverberations, reflections, etc., are the things that give us spatial cues.  The Havis B3's are amazing at revealing these things and the match up with the AP100 is stellar.  The AP100 drives the snot out of them, so no amp is needed. In fact, when I hooked it up with the SAP-5, it actually degraded the sound. Not so with X1. I found that the X1 needs the extra drive and midrange body the Sap-5 provides.

I had originally thought I would have the X1 for multi-purposes ---the gym, a source for my car stereo and a home source.   Now my plans have changed entirely. Im going to stick with my Clip+ for the gym (not as good as the X1, but way more convenient for this) and I'm going to use the AP100 for the car and home listening, either direct with the HO, or with LO through my Ican micro.  Yup, probably going to sell the X1 and the SAP-5.  Anyone want them minty fresh? lol 

Awesome write up! Many thanks for this! smily_headphones1.gif
post #2605 of 7658
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Originally Posted by stuartmc View Post


You're right. The appropriate competition would be the X-5 or the DX-90. The only reason I did is because member karloil specifically asked me for the comparison.


Was that a proper level matched evaluation?

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How is X1's SQ compared to Colorfly C3's?

Has anyone tried both?

I'm going to buy a DAP at this price range.

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Anyone has a Hifiman HM601/602 to compare with the x1, specially how "warm" the x1 is?

post #2608 of 7658
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Originally Posted by Mach-X View Post


Was that a proper level matched evaluation?

It was a level variable evaluation. What I mean by that is that I varied the volume level for optimum quality each time I switched devices. Most times I gave the underdog (the X1 in this case) a little extra volume and attention just to be sure. That is critical for soundstage artifacts and what I refer to as resolving fine details. When it comes to things like relaxed, natural sound it probably cuts the other way and I backed off on the volume to get the most comfortable listening level for each, again, giving the underdog every benefit. Nevertheless, there are some things I hear that are fairly level independent.
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Originally Posted by alpex View Post

Received my X1 yesterday and I'm a little disappointed in the software. I haven't owned a fiio player before so was unaware that it's basically just a file browser (i have more than 5000 tracks on my 128gb sd card).

It sounds great and the strange 'metal alloy' case is nice too, i just can't get around my collection as easily as I am used to. The scroll wheel doesnt have any 'acceleration' when navigating lists and the media library maxes out at 5800 tracks and doesn't show everything on the card.
While it doesn't have as much punch as my e18 kunlun I cannot fault the sound. For the price it is unbeatable.

If i weren't such a newb on these forums I'd sell it here. I'd feel bad returning it to Tinbel (I bought on amazon) but right now I think it's going to gather dust for me.  My eye now turns to the Sony NWZ-A17

They're working on fixing the file limit of 5800 tracks, a β firmware for the X5 has been released already.
The acceleration is something that's also requested in the X5 thread, another user came with a short term solution of holding the "next" button while scrolling through your tracks.
I can't confirm if this will work on the X1.
What you could do for now is set the music to "shuffle" until you get close to a track you want to hear, then set it to "normal" play order, and select and play the track.

FiiO is still learning how to do the software, and you can expect updates.
post #2610 of 7658
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Originally Posted by alpex View Post
 

Received my X1 yesterday and I'm a little disappointed in the software. I haven't owned a fiio player before so was unaware that it's basically just a file browser (i have more than 5000 tracks on my 128gb sd card).

 

It sounds great and the strange 'metal alloy' case is nice too, i just can't get around my collection as easily as I am used to. The scroll wheel doesnt have any 'acceleration' when navigating lists and the media library maxes out at 5800 tracks and doesn't show everything on the card.

While it doesn't have as much punch as my e18 kunlun I cannot fault the sound. For the price it is unbeatable.

 

If i weren't such a newb on these forums I'd sell it here. I'd feel bad returning it to Tinbel (I bought on amazon) but right now I think it's going to gather dust for me.  My eye now turns to the Sony NWZ-A17


lol if you're already complaining on the X1 UI, wait till you use the Hifiman's 

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