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post #331 of 1314
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low impedence headphones should be fine.  virtually all daps can handle that 

 

 

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most inefficient headphones are othodynamic.... and the people who own them wont be trying to run them striaght from a dap

 

My point is, your previous blanket statement "low impedence headphones should be fine.  virtually all daps can handle that" is misleading. You have to consider sensitivity also. A newbie, without realizing how important sensitivity spec is, may buy an orthodynamic headphones thinking "low impedence headphones should be fine" out of a portable DAP. It should be impedance and orthodynamic by the way. 

post #332 of 1314
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Originally Posted by zzffnn View Post
 

 

 

 

My point is, your previous blanket statement "low impedence headphones should be fine.  virtually all daps can handle that" is misleading. You have to consider sensitivity also. A newbie, without realizing how important sensitivity spec is, may buy an orthodynamic headphones thinking "low impedence headphones should be fine" out of a portable DAP. It should be impedance and orthodynamic by the way. 

 

ty for the correction...it's always nice to have grammar perfectionists go over your writing.   

 

If a newbie buys a 1000+ dollar orthodynamic headphone and tries to run them from a 100 dollar dap.... he deserves it.  

 

You have to consider sensitivity also. A newbie, without realizing how important sensitivity spec is, may buy an orthodynamic headphone (remove the "s" it's not needed)  thinking "low impedence headphones should be fine" out of a portable DAP. It should be impedance and orthodynamic by the way. 

post #333 of 1314

Chaps, would you mind not fighting through this thread? I mean, I think it is better that we stop by our own will otherwise Anak or Currawong will make us stop.

 

I doubt that we want this thread to get locked or users get banned.

post #334 of 1314
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Originally Posted by TekeRugburn View Post
 

 

ty for the correction...it's always nice to have grammar perfectionists go over your writing.   

 

If a newbie buys a 1000+ dollar orthodynamic headphone and tries to run them from a 100 dollar dap.... he deserves it.  

 

You have to consider sensitivity also. A newbie, without realizing how important sensitivity spec is, may buy an orthodynamic headphone (remove the "s" it's not needed)  thinking "low impedence headphones should be fine" out of a portable DAP. It should be impedance and orthodynamic by the way. 


i think u are wrong

low impedance is harder to drive than higher impedance and not vice -versa.

 

generally speaking impedance of a player should be one fifth or less of the headphone impedance to drive properly and considering average impedance of 3-4 of ipods and walkmans(not talking of high end stuff) u would beed a headphone with at least 20 ohm or higher to work at its peak.of course when impedance reaches more than 60-70 then again they cannot be drived properly from a dap.in a nutshell i was saying this for EARPHONES and not HEADPHONES.

 

yes sensitivity is imp too but more or less all have about 100-105 or more level and i am assuming sensitivity in this range in this scenario to isolate the effects of impedance.

 

 

 

 

 

folks,thats my understanding.if i am wrong pls point out.


Edited by sardar17 - 12/16/13 at 7:58pm
post #335 of 1314
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Originally Posted by sardar17 View Post


i think u are wrong
low impedance is harder to drive than higher impedance and not vice -versa.

generally speaking impedance of a player should be one fifth or less of the headphone impedance to drive properly and considering average impedance of 3-4 of ipods and walkmans(not talking of high end stuff) u would beed a headphone with at least 20 ohm or higher to work at its peak.of course when impedance reaches more than 60-70 then again they cannot be drived properly from a dap.in a nutshell i was saying this for EARPHONES and not HEADPHONES.

yes sensitivity is imp too but more or less all have about 100-105 or more level and i am assuming sensitivity in this range in this scenario to isolate the effects of impedance.





folks,thats my understanding.if i am wrong pls point out.

Serious? Try driving a 600 ohm headphone from a ipod... See how well it sounds.
post #336 of 1314
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Originally Posted by TekeRugburn View Post


Serious? Try driving a 600 ohm headphone from a ipod... See how well it sounds.


did u read what i said??

 

i said above 60-70 ohms its again difficult for a dap just like below 16-20 is

 

and i already clarified that this post was for earphones which won't go above 50-60 generally but some low impedance stuff like xba-1,2,3 can pop out once in a while

post #337 of 1314
Lower impedance is easier to drive... Unless it's highly inefficient.
post #338 of 1314
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Originally Posted by TekeRugburn View Post

Lower impedance is easier to drive... Unless it's highly inefficient.


i have read rule of one fifth in other places,pls confirm

 

thats why earphones below 12 or lower are just not driven with dap's having 3-4 impedance but clip+ with 1 can easily drive them

 

once again this stuff is complicated and apparently there another factors too.but whatever care must be taken not to take a risk and get something with such low impedance and cry later:beerchug:

post #339 of 1314
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Originally Posted by bcarr112281 View Post
 

Hi, James -

 

You say the X1 will be Fiio's smallest DAP. What about the X7--will it be the biggest one?

 

Thanks,

Brian

here is the X series

http://img5.pcpop.com/ArticleImages/500x375/2/2991/002991270.jpg

post #340 of 1314
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here is the X series

http://img5.pcpop.com/ArticleImages/500x375/2/2991/002991270.jpg


if thats true i will be getting x1 on day one for sure

 

x3,5 and 7 are too big for me as i cannot compromise on portability.anyways i will never be using 24 bit files so there is really no point.

post #341 of 1314
Have a look at ultrasones models. Some of them are like 96 db/mW
Then look at sennheiser momentum. It's 110 db/mW
post #342 of 1314
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Originally Posted by naturalliu View Post

here is the X series
http://img5.pcpop.com/ArticleImages/500x375/2/2991/002991270.jpg

Wow! I like how they all look so different.
I'm thinking about getting the X1.
Everything mentioned sounds promising.
post #343 of 1314
This question may have been asked one too many times, but...when is the X1 being released?
post #344 of 1314
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Originally Posted by SkyBleu View Post

This question may have been asked one too many times, but...when is the X1 being released?


someone said june of next year,,,something like that

post #345 of 1314

Holy crap Fiio is really starting to pull out the big guns. They are going to have a dap for the super affordable, affordable, and decently affordable while having a decently solid amp and dac selection.

 

As a previous owner of a few fiio products, I gotta say this company is really starting to impress me.

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