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post #91 of 2642
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Originally Posted by MetalElvis View Post

Glad we agree. You call recessed treble, I call scooped out, pretty much the same thing. But stating that "recessed" vs "scooped out" are totally different things, now that´s hyperbolic!


And I didn´t say HD 800 are "accurate and truthful", I said they are "more accurate and truthful than the LCD-2". Big difference, so please don´t put words in my mouth!

You mean perspective matters and 'truth' isn't absolute?? Recessed and scooped out are very different degrees... But you knew that.
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Actually I don't know any other headphone as true to the source as the HD800's despite it's bright treble (which can be remedied through rabid dog/anax mod or amplification and source picking). 

It's why Tyll picked them out as the best headphones for monitoring.

Then buy a pair. Problem solved. I'll send you my bill.
post #92 of 2642
This thread just took a nose dive. Can someone post some pretty photos of their XC's to make us all happy again? Thanks
post #93 of 2642
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Then buy a pair. Problem solved. I'll send you my bill.

No I already have had it 3 times so no thank you lol.

 

I was just saying that calling HD800 true and accurate isn't exactly hyperbolic, it stands behind it's hype and there is a good reason for it subjective and objectively, well then of course you can be part of the camp that just dislike it's sound when you're after something musical sounding, which is fine as it varies with users.

post #94 of 2642
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Originally Posted by deafanddumb View Post

This thread just took a nose dive. Can someone post some pretty photos of their XC's to make us all happy again? Thanks

Sure thing...



post #95 of 2642
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Originally Posted by leesure View Post


You mean perspective matters and 'truth' isn't absolute?? Recessed and scooped out are very different degrees... But you knew that.
 

 

You somehow think that your "recessed" is somehow less than my "scooped" term. It´s relative. They can mean exactly the same thing.

 

If the upper mids between 2k - 5k are "recessed" let´s say -5db.

 

Then let´s say the upper mids between 2k - 5k are "scooped" -5db.

 

It´s the exact same thing, no? Just different words.

 

"Sccoped/recessed" treble in headphones (like the LCD-2/3) might be "musical", but it´s not truthful, flat or natural. Period.

 

p.s. Nice pics. I want one!

post #96 of 2642
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Originally Posted by MetalElvis View Post

You somehow think that your "recessed" is somehow less than my "scooped" term. It´s relative.

p.s. Nice pics. I want one!

It's relative! Exactly! As in 'relative to the LCD's, the HD800's are bright and brittle.' Or 'relative to the HD800, the LCD-2's are dark'

There is no perfect headphone and there is no 'truth' when it comes to musical reproduction.

Read all the frequency graphs you want, they don't tell the whole story.

Thank you for the compliment regarding my photography. You'll see those photos on Audeze's site soon. I've recently signed to do their photography.
post #97 of 2642
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Sure thing...



Looking at those pictures is certainly making me "muy horny"

post #98 of 2642
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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post

Looking at those pictures is certainly making me "muy horny"

Thanks, I guess?
post #99 of 2642
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Thanks, I guess?

That's the Bubinga wood, right?  If it is, I'm getting Bubinga.  Oh my goodness, these have to be the most beautiful headphones I've ever seen!!! The TH-900s, ATH3000aniv, and the LCD-3s are beautiful, but this is something else!!!

post #100 of 2642
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Originally Posted by leesure View Post


It's relative! Exactly! As in 'relative to the LCD's, the HD800's are bright and brittle.' Or 'relative to the HD800, the LCD-2's are dark'

There is no perfect headphone and there is no 'truth' when it comes to musical reproduction.

Read all the frequency graphs you want, they don't tell the whole story.

Thank you for the compliment regarding my photography. You'll see those photos on Audeze's site soon. I've recently signed to do their photography.

 

Of course there is "truth", it´s a flat line in the whole frequency spectrum. No frequencies scooped or boosted. HD 800 are much closer to this than LCD-2.

post #101 of 2642
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Originally Posted by MetalElvis View Post
 

 

Of course there is "truth", it´s a flat line in the whole frequency spectrum. No frequencies scooped or boosted. HD 800 are much closer to this than LCD-2.

At the risk of being repetitive: if you like classical, listen to HD800; if you like rock and jazz, listen to LCD-2/3; if you like many music genres, the listen to T1, TH-900, and (from what I've read here) LCD-X.  This is very simple...at least that's what my ears are telling me (except for the LCD-X, which I've yet to listen to, but will in the near future.

post #102 of 2642
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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

At the risk of being repetitive: if you like classical, listen to HD800; if you like rock and jazz, listen to LCD-2/3; if you like many music genres, the listen to T1, TH-900, and (from what I've read here) LCD-X.  This is very simple...at least that's what my ears are telling me (except for the LCD-X, which I've yet to listen to, but will in the near future.

 

One thing I don´t understand which I hear all the time on this forum and in headphone reviews is that why people recommend listening bass heavy music (like rap, EDM…) with bass heavy/head headphones? And then recommend listening bass light music with flat or bass light headphones. For example Tyll does this all the time. I just don´t get it.

 

Shouldn´t it be the exact opposite? :)

 

At least if I would have an album were the mix was light on bass, I would want to listen to it with headphones with some bass boost. And if the mix was bass heavy, I wouldn´t want to listen to it with headphones that would boost the bass even more.


Edited by MetalElvis - 11/24/13 at 5:33pm
post #103 of 2642
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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post

That's the Bubinga wood, right?  If it is, I'm getting Bubinga.  Oh my goodness, these have to be the most beautiful headphones I've ever seen!!! The TH-900s, ATH3000aniv, and the LCD-3s are beautiful, but this is something else!!!

Yes, that's Bubinga
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Originally Posted by MetalElvis View Post

Of course there is "truth", it´s a flat line in the whole frequency spectrum. No frequencies scooped or boosted. HD 800 are much closer to this than LCD-2.

That's an oversimplified fallacy akin to pretending that a speaker with a flat FR graph in an anechoic chamber is perfect.
post #104 of 2642
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Originally Posted by MetalElvis View Post
 

 

One thing I don´t understand which I hear all the time on this forum and in headphone reviews is that why people recommend listening bass heavy music (like rap, EDM…) with bass heavy/head headphones? And then recommend listening bass light music with flat or bass light headphones. I just don´t get it.

 

Shouldn´t it be the exact opposite? :)

If you go to the concert hall/opera house, music will sound like it does out of the HD800 and T1.  If you go to a rock concert, the LCD2/3 will give you a sound you can relate to in such a venue.  Thus, if you want to reverse the order, then you won't get music that is "realistic"...you will get a colored sound.  Now, if you like color to the sound, that is fine as well, but it will no longer be, for lack of a better term, realistic.

post #105 of 2642
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post
 

Actually I don't know any other headphone as true to the source as the HD800's despite it's bright treble (which can be remedied through rabid dog/anax mod or amplification and source picking). 

 

It's why Tyll picked them out as the best headphones for monitoring.

 

 

I thought Tyll recommended them for monitoring to pick out and fix nasty flaws in mixes, because their accentuated treble sure points them out.

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