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Originally Posted by MetalElvis View Post
 

 

Another head of steel, gongratz! I find them the most uncomfortable headphones ever! And I´ve tried and own lot of headphones.

And sorry, but they don´t sound natural at all. Unless natural in your world means a roller coaster in the frequency curve (meaning big boosts and big scoops).

Comfort wise I have to agree with you. 

But absolutely do not agree on your opinion about the SQ.

These sound very flat to me. Not a roller coaster ride by any stretch of imagination.

And by flat I do not mean analytical or boring.  

This, obviously in my opinion :cool:

post #767 of 2709
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Originally Posted by figaro69 View Post
 

... I would say that the TH-900 is the better headphone.  ...

I think I made the right choice then :) 

post #768 of 2709
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I think you can trust them in the sense that they are speaking from their perspectives and no one elses. It also looks like your frame of reference is the Stax 009, which is likely going to outclass anything else you audition. Further, glancing at your post history, it's pretty clear after just a few minutes that you have had comfort issues with several headphones over the past couple of years and that you seemingly feel headphones fall short of your ideal, which would be a high end pair of monitors in a treated room that measure flat. Sounds to me like headphones just might not be your cup of tea in general, I don't know. 

 

No I love headphones and I love studio monitors too.

Let me put the most comfortable / least comfortable list. Number 1. being the most comfortable.

 

1. HD 650 - can wear it forever!

2. HD 600 - can wear it for years!

3. SR-009 - can wear it for months
4. T1 - can wear it for weeks
5. AKG K702 Anniversary - can wear it for days

6. LCD-2 - can wear it for few hours (does not create a hotspot, but they are heavy and uncomfortable)

7. TH-900 - can wear it for few hours (creates a hotspot)

8. HD 800 - can wear it for few hours (even this creates a hotspot)

9. LCD-XC  - can wear it max 1 hour (creates a hotspot and is uncomfortable in every other way too)


Edited by MetalElvis - 2/9/14 at 6:58am
post #769 of 2709
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Originally Posted by SHAHZADA123 View Post
 

Comfort wise I have to agree with you. 

But absolutely do not agree on your opinion about the SQ.

These sound very flat to me. Not a roller coaster ride by any stretch of imagination.

And by flat I do not mean analytical or boring.  

This, obviously in my opinion :cool:


How can flat have a crazy boost around 1k - 4k? And then drop a lot from 4k and come back after 8k - 10k? I call that a roller coaster. But I agree that the bass is pretty flat, it is tight, fast and goes deep, but the quantity is little, maybe because of the crazy mid boost.

 

I would say HD 800 and SR-009 are flat, but I think even the SR-009 have some extra 1k, and then some scoop around 3k to make it a bit warm around there, but then goes up and are probably one of the most airy headphone I´ve heard (along with TH-900).


Edited by MetalElvis - 2/9/14 at 7:01am
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Let me put the most comfortable / least comfortable list. Number 1. being the most comfortable.

1. HD 650 - can wear it forever!
2. HD 600 - can wear it for years!
3. SR-009 - can wear it for months

4. T1 - can wear it for weeks

5. AKG K702 Anniversary - can wear it for days
6. LCD-2 - can wear it for few hours (does not create a hotspot, but they are heavy and uncomfortable)
7. TH-900 - can wear it for few hours (creates a hotspot)
8. HD 800 - can wear it for few hours (even this creates a hotspot)
9. LCD-XC  - can wear it max 1 hour (creates a hotspot and is uncomfortable in every other way too)

As well as the LCD-XC and SR-009, I also have the HD-600, and I found the LCD-XC's with their original headband were uncomfortable because of the clamping, but since the mod I did I find them to be as comfortable as my HD-600, even though the LCD-XC's are a lot heavier than the HD-600's.

I also find my 009's are as comfortable as the other two.
post #771 of 2709
For me the XC is a very neutral and natural sounding headphone! On second place T5p.
I never heared an other closed back with such a natural and transparent sound! Claptons Unplugged, Nirvana Unplugged it sounds very real with no overemphasis in any area (bass, mids, highs). That is for me the definition of natural (no colorations) and transparent (when the XC were not so heavy I would forgot to listen over headphones).
Edited by Trance_Gott - 2/9/14 at 9:39am
post #772 of 2709
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Originally Posted by MetalElvis View Post
 

 

No I love headphones and I love studio monitors too.

Let me put the most comfortable / least comfortable list. Number 1. being the most comfortable.

 

1. HD 650 - can wear it forever!

2. HD 600 - can wear it for years!

3. SR-009 - can wear it for months
4. T1 - can wear it for weeks
5. AKG K702 Anniversary - can wear it for days

6. LCD-2 - can wear it for few hours (does not create a hotspot, but they are heavy and uncomfortable)

7. TH-900 - can wear it for few hours (creates a hotspot)

8. HD 800 - can wear it for few hours (even this creates a hotspot)

9. LCD-XC  - can wear it max 1 hour (creates a hotspot and is uncomfortable in every other way too)

you may need to install fans inside the earcups (or place ice packs in your ears) before you wear headphones.  HD800 creating a hot spot?  It might be time for a psychiatric visit (just kidding!)

post #773 of 2709
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I find the bass in the XCs to be completely to my liking.  The problem I had with them (which, on the other hand, has been solved with the Moon Audio Black Dragon Cable) is that they tend to be too bright (if I had to guess, the brightness does not come from the treble really, but from the upper mid region), which makes them sound completely different from the LCD-2 and LCD-X.  Once the brightness has been tamed, they do sound sublime.  Sometimes I find myself listening to my TH900s...other times I grab for my LCD-XCs.  I haven't decided which sounds better, but once you consider that the TH-900 sounds great out of virtually any headamp (which the XCs do not) and that they weigh much less - and are one of the most comfortable headphones in the marked, which the XCs are definitely not), I would say that the TH-900 is the better headphone.  With regard to the T5p, I must say that I love it since Classical music sounds sublime with it (i.e., in my opinion, the best portable headphone ever created), but bassheads need not apply.
So less bass than xc? By much?
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Originally Posted by MetalElvis View Post
 

 

No I love headphones and I love studio monitors too.

Let me put the most comfortable / least comfortable list. Number 1. being the most comfortable.

 

1. HD 650 - can wear it forever!

2. HD 600 - can wear it for years!

3. SR-009 - can wear it for months
4. T1 - can wear it for weeks
5. AKG K702 Anniversary - can wear it for days

6. LCD-2 - can wear it for few hours (does not create a hotspot, but they are heavy and uncomfortable)

7. TH-900 - can wear it for few hours (creates a hotspot)

8. HD 800 - can wear it for few hours (even this creates a hotspot)

9. LCD-XC  - can wear it max 1 hour (creates a hotspot and is uncomfortable in every other way too)

Stop being a wussy. :biggrin:

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So less bass than xc? By much?

by plenty...but it suits me rather well, since I've never been a bass head.  Great soundstage with those T5ps...great Classical music headphones.

post #776 of 2709
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by plenty...but it suits me rather well, since I've never been a bass head.  Great soundstage with those T5ps...great Classical music headphones.
Are the T5p closer to X in sound balance and bass quantity?
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Are the T5p closer to X in sound balance and bass quantity?

Nooooooo! Not even close.  The T5p would be closer to the XC, not the X.  The T5p has - at least to my ears - better soundstage than the XC and similar (maybe even a bit better) than the Xs.  The T5ps are leaner-sounding headphones.  The XCs are meatier with better bass; the Xs are also meatier, with perfect bass, mids, and treble.  So, the best Headphone of the three would be the X.  Second best, it's close between the T5p and XCs.  For home use with a great amp, it's the XC for me.  For portable use, I am in heaven with the T5ps.  All three are different-sounding and just sublime in their own way.  Let me put it this way...when I am using the T5p on the go, I'm not really missing out (i.e., I don't find myself saying, "I wish I was home listening to the LCD-X or XC"...or the HD-800 or T1 for that matter).  With the portable ALO Audio amp (MKIII - the one with the bass knob, turned half-way or more to make it sound more grounded), the sound is amazing.


Edited by figaro69 - 2/9/14 at 2:11pm
post #778 of 2709
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Originally Posted by Trance_Gott View Post

For me the XC is a very neutral and natural sounding headphone! On second place T5p.
I never heared an other closed back with such a natural and transparent sound! Claptons Unplugged, Nirvana Unplugged it sounds very real with no overemphasis in any area (bass, mids, highs). That is for me the definition of natural (no colorations) and transparent (when the XC were not so heavy I would forgot to listen over headphones).

 

It sounds to me that you´ve never heard a neutral sound. You just think the LCD-XC sounds neutral and transparent. Well they are not. They are very colored. There are big boosts and scoops in the frequency curve.

 

This is exactly what I´m talking about. People say unbelievable things in this forum that are far from the truth.

post #779 of 2709
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Originally Posted by MetalElvis View Post
 

 

It sounds to me that you´ve never heard a neutral sound. You just think the LCD-XC sounds neutral and transparent. Well they are not. They are very colored. There are big boosts and scoops in the frequency curve.

 

This is exactly what I´m talking about. People say unbelievable things in this forum that are far from the truth.

I find the T5p, for instance, to be more neutral than the LCD-XC.  The occasionally screechy upper mids can be troublesome with the LCD-XCs, but once that has been tamed with a darker sounding source, interconnect cables, and/or headphone replacement cable, they do approach neutrality.

post #780 of 2709
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Originally Posted by MetalElvis View Post
 

 

It sounds to me that you´ve never heard a neutral sound. You just think the LCD-XC sounds neutral and transparent. Well they are not. They are very colored. There are big boosts and scoops in the frequency curve.

 

This is exactly what I´m talking about. People say unbelievable things in this forum that are far from the truth.

If everyone's ear canals were shaped the same way, then what you are saying would be true...but the shapes of ear canals vary from person to person, hence the reason why people may love a pair of headphones while someone else may hate them.  So, there...everything is subjective.

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