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post #1666 of 1787
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Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post


Did you ever consider the Alpha Dog? Great isolation, terrific value and far more comfortable and less picky with regard to amping than the XC. The Audeze is technically better but it's not always fun - even with the volume cranked up. By the way, is the top of your head made of granite and do you have a strong neck? Just saying, they're superb headphones but I would advise anybody looking to buy to take them for an extended demo before making the purchase. They're not for everyone. They're very energetic in the upper mid and treble regions too. Something to think about if you suffer from tinnitus :-)

 

Neck is strong.  Head of granite?  Depends on who you ask.

 

I've got the LCD-3 (Fazor) and never had a problem with the weight or comfort--I actually find them to be pretty nice to wear.  So, I don't think the XC is going to be an issue--especially since I'll usually be laying down while listening to them.  I think that clamping will actually make it easier to keep them in place when my head is on a pillow.  That was an issue with the TH900--too loosy-goosy when my head was on a pillow.  VERY comfortable when upright but not good for use in bed.

 

As for the AD, I've not really considered them...don't know why...probably should have...but...too late.

 

Problem is, I'm rather sick in the head and I just ordered a pair of XC's at what I consider to be a tough deal to pass on...  So, this is kind of a moot point right now.  I'm hoping I'll like them.  A like-new set of TH900 will likely be up in the for-sale section pretty soon!  :-)

 

Regardless, thanks for the input!

post #1667 of 1787
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Originally Posted by Lutrty View Post

I have the XC and I absolutely subscribe Tony's observation about the upper mids and treble.

I never tried the ADs. How would you compare the sound signatures? I'm still looking for a closed back more on the dark side to listen to vocal based music. Thx

I've got both the Alpha Dog and the LCD-XC.  The AD also has a somewhat elevated treble, probably more than the XC, which, however, can be tamed or adjusted to suit one's taste by using the "Doggie Treats", which are small felt dots and discs that can be inserted in various ways (easily done).  Otherwise, the AD actually has a bit more sub bass, but the overall sound signature is quite similar IMO -- somewhat dark and warm with solid bass and fine detail across the spectrum. The XC is a bit faster I felt, with a bit less overhang on the notes, and a bit more transparent with a somewhat larger soundstage.  I also preferred the XC's mids a bit more.

 

However, all these differences add up -- the sum total of all these difference, IMO, is that the XC wins by quite a bit, with a gorgeous,very clean and warm sound.  So, I prefer the XC overall, which is why my Alpha Dog is now for sale, per my recently posted ad.

 

But, if one considers the AD's price, the AD wins by a mile on value.  And some apparently do prefer the AD, as per the recent online review on one of headphone review sites which reviewed most of the flagship phones (HD800, TH 900, LCD-3, and others) and, surprisingly, picked the AD as the reviewer's overall favorite.  To each his own.  I would have picked the XC.


Edited by Skyyyeman - 8/29/14 at 5:45pm
post #1668 of 1787
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Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post


Did you ever consider the Alpha Dog? Great isolation, terrific value and far more comfortable and less picky with regard to amping than the XC. The Audeze is technically better but it's not always fun - even with the volume cranked up. By the way, is the top of your head made of granite and do you have a strong neck? Just saying, they're superb headphones but I would advise anybody looking to buy to take them for an extended demo before making the purchase. They're not for everyone. They're very energetic in the upper mid and treble regions too. Something to think about if you suffer from tinnitus :-)

I've read that the ADs were thinner compared to the XC in sound...is that not the case?

post #1669 of 1787

I don't know if it's just me, but I really don't find anything good with the AD. I find the sound is muffled/veiled/behind a curtain. It's not as clear as anyone says it is and I've auditioned the ADs three times now. 

 

Am I doing something wrong? Is there a piece of foam or something I'm supposed to remove?

 

Sorry if I'm off topic.

post #1670 of 1787

Skyyyeman these were exactly the insights I was looking for - many thanks.

 

A couple more questions: what to do use as DAC and amp with the XC? Also, where can I find that review you mention. Cheers 

post #1671 of 1787
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Originally Posted by bdmarion View Post

In my bedroom I've currently got a set of TH-900 running through a Yulong DA-8 (with an Onkyo ND-S1000/iPod (ALC) as the source).  I enjoy this combo, however, I keep waking up my wife because the TH-900 leak so badly and it's starting to become a real issue.  After quite a bit of reading I'm thinking of getting rid of the Fostex and moving to the LCD-XC.

So...my questions are (to those that would have some first-hand experience):

1.  Will the isolation and leakage improvement of the XC be worth this change/upgrade from the TH-900?  I mean, how well do the XC isolate and contain the sound?  I had the Beyer T5P for a while and that was pretty good for isolation/leakage (probably good enough...but the sound quality never thrilled me).  Would the XC be along the lines of the T5P or better?  I know it must be better than the TH-900...

2.  Probably a long shot, but...has anyone heard the XC through a Yulong DA-8?  Any impressions?  Would the DA8 be a reasonably good match?

Thanks in advance for any advice!

I own a pair of LCD-XC's, and before I changed the headband head-fier IanG was listening to them and I could hear the music easily, however Ian does like to listen at quite a high volume so if you listen at low volume you shouldn't disturb your wife.

I also don't think the LCD-XC's isolate that well, but that's in comparison to my CIEM's.
post #1672 of 1787
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Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post

Did you ever consider the Alpha Dog? Great isolation, terrific value and far more comfortable and less picky with regard to amping than the XC. The Audeze is technically better but it's not always fun - even with the volume cranked up. By the way, is the top of your head made of granite and do you have a strong neck? Just saying, they're superb headphones but I would advise anybody looking to buy to take them for an extended demo before making the purchase. They're not for everyone. They're very energetic in the upper mid and treble regions too. Something to think about if you suffer from tinnitus :-)

Had tried comparing both extensively using my Hugo and dxd setup.

Very different. LCD-XC made AD sounded like "out of phase". By the time it got to the 2nd piece, I really have to put it down.

Details and controls across the freq band is a big notch down from LCDs. Seriously it is good value at where it is, but not comparing to LCD. Not fair for AD.
Btw, I think ATH-M50x sounds fantastic too for that money.

So depending on that, it belongs to where the value is perceived and not to that of Audeze.

Rgds
post #1673 of 1787

Madsumm, when you use the Hugo + XC do you find it too bright? I wanted to go for a Hugo but I'm afraid it will accentuate XC's upper mids even more. Thanks

post #1674 of 1787
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Originally Posted by Lutrty View Post
 

Madsumm, when you use the Hugo + XC do you find it too bright? I wanted to go for a Hugo but I'm afraid it will accentuate XC's upper mids even more. Thanks


I would recommend you test it.

For me, it is clean. Love the dynamics of XC with Hugo and those "clear" moments.

 

It just brings a smile on my face with that combination.

 

But for sure, it is not as bright as K812.

 

The fact that LCD-XC is "fatter" in sound already, regardless of highs, the weight of it will bring its natural warmth.

BTW, Hugo drove K812 to bits too. One of the very revealing HP, that has totally diff sound signatures from the previous models. (I do not have a liking of AKG sound signature btw)

 

Rgds

post #1675 of 1787
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Originally Posted by Lutrty View Post
 

Skyyyeman these were exactly the insights I was looking for - many thanks.

 

A couple more questions: what to do use as DAC and amp with the XC? Also, where can I find that review you mention. Cheers 

With the XC, I use as "portable" (meaning for my couch or bed -- nothing beyond that) the Cypher Labs Algorhythm Solo dac and ALO RX3 B+ amp. Also have used it with the RSA Hornet.  No problem in using the XC with portables.  Otherwise I use it with my Benchmark DAC2 HGC on my big system.  Even my phone can drive it easily but obviously the sound isn't the same.

 

Re the review, I can't seem to find it.  It was on the Alpha Dog thread (515 pages or so) about a month ago, posted by MrSpeakers.  I looked on their site but I don't see it listed with the many other reviews.  I'd like to re-read it myself.  One thing the review also did was rave, I mean really rave, about the XC.  If I find it I'll mention it.

post #1676 of 1787
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Originally Posted by Lutrty View Post
 

Skyyyeman these were exactly the insights I was looking for - many thanks.

 

A couple more questions: what to do use as DAC and amp with the XC? Also, where can I find that review you mention. Cheers 

With the XC, I use as "portable" (meaning for my couch or bed -- nothing beyond that) the Cypher Labs Algorhythm Solo dac and ALO RX3 B+ amp. Also have used it with the RSA Hornet.  No problem in using the XC with portables.  Otherwise I use it with my Benchmark DAC2 HGC on my big system.  Even my phone can drive it easily but obviously the sound isn't the same.

 

Re the review, I can't seem to find it.  It was on the Alpha Dog thread (515 pages or so) about a month ago, posted by MrSpeakers.  I looked on their site but I don't see it listed with the many other reviews.  I'd like to re-read it myself.  One thing the review also did was rave, I mean really rave, about the XC.  If I find it I'll mention it.

post #1677 of 1787
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Originally Posted by vladzakhar View Post
 


My silver dragon sounds great with XC's. I guess, it depend on what amp you are using.

With a darker-sounding DAC/Source/Headamp, I suppose.  Even with my RS Darkstar (a darker-sounding headamp), silver is a bit much.

post #1678 of 1787
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Originally Posted by Skyyyeman View Post
 

That's great to hear about the Moon Audio Silver Dragon with the XC, since that's the cable I'm considering right now.  I've already tried the Blue Dragon and Black Dragon with the XC and, surprisingly, I didn't prefer them.  Surprisingly, since I've used them both in the past and felt one or both were significant improvements on the HD600, HD700 and HD800 stock cables, and some have already said they really liked the Black Dragon (which is recommended for the XC on the Moon site.)  But IMO not with the LCD-XC, which, it seems, already has an excellent stock cable.

 

Then, just recently, a friend tried the Silver Dragon with his LCD-X and raved about the improvement.  But that's with the X which has a slightly more subdued treble v. the XC.

 

So, I have no doubt that the Silver Dragon will provide an improvement in detail, transparency, bass definition, and other parameters.

 

But, my only question is:

 

Question:  Did you find that the Silver Dragon increased the treble on the XC? (maybe to the point where the treble became a bit overbearing on certain songs)?

 

Thx for the input.

To my ears, yet...too bright.  With the black dragons much better, IMO.

post #1679 of 1787

Since there's been recent discussion about Alpha Dogs, and since it's been awhile since I listened to the AD after getting my LCD-XC, I decided to dig out my AD from the closet to give them both a comparative listening.  

 

A quick summary: The LCD-XC is quite a bit superior in all categories, IMO.  It's no contest.  The only area where the AD might have an advantage seems to be in sub bass. But, the LCD-XC has the advantage in bass speed, clarity and definition.  And the LCD-XC maintains that advantage in all other areas too.  The XC also more separation and sense of spaciousness with a larger soundstage.

 

I think I understated the magnitude of the difference in my post above.  

 

The AD is no slouch. The AD is a fine headphone that sounds excellent and is great for the money involved. If you listened to the AD and had not heard the LCD-XC, you probably would be very happy with the AD and never see a need to change. But, once you switch to the LCD-XC, the difference is apparent.

post #1680 of 1787
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Originally Posted by Skyyyeman View Post
 

Since there's been recent discussion about Alpha Dogs, and since it's been awhile since I listened to the AD after getting my LCD-XC, I decided to dig out my AD from the closet to give them both a comparative listening.  

 

A quick summary: The LCD-XC is quite a bit superior in all categories, IMO.  It's no contest.  The only area where the AD might have an advantage seems to be in sub bass. But, the LCD-XC has the advantage in bass speed, clarity and definition.  And the LCD-XC maintains that advantage in all other areas too.  The XC also more separation and sense of spaciousness with a larger soundstage.

 

I think I understated the magnitude of the difference in my post above.  

 

The AD is no slouch. The AD is a fine headphone that sounds excellent and is great for the money involved. If you listened to the AD and had not heard the LCD-XC, you probably would be very happy with the AD and never see a need to change. But, once you switch to the LCD-XC, the difference is apparent.

 

thanks for your interesting comparaison.  

 

Can you confirm that the XC isolate less than the Alpha ?  And is it marginal or by a large factor (I am mostly interested in the sound leaking OUT & disturbing the people around: In the room, Does people hear what you listen to ) ?

thanks

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