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Originally Posted by BeyerMonster View Post
 

While I have seen a few references to Bubinga that call it "African Rosewood", I've read many others that state it is not a "true rosewood" and/or it is truly a completely different species of wood with different grain patterns as well as sonic qualities when used in instruments (likely not entirely relevant as headphone cups). Example: http://www.sheppardguitars.com/bubinga.htm

 

Since Audeze themselves sells a variant of the LCD-2 as "Caribbean Rosewood" and the LCD-XC as "Bubinga", I mentioned it, so people don't buy one and expect the grain to be a close match.

 

 

I own the LCD-3. The LCD-3 is often described as having tighter bass than the LCD-2. To my ears, the LCD-XC's bass is less forceful, but tighter and arguably more precise than the LCD-3. The difference is readily apparent, and not at all subtle. Neither is in any way shape or form, "boomy". So while your opinion may be valid, I don't think your opinion is in any way "more valid" than mine or x Relic x, to which you responded "No way, dude". FWIW, amplification used for comparison was Schiit Mjolnir and Violectric V200. I heard the LCD-2 on a Bryston BHA-1. Unknown revision.

 

 

It's not a point to be argued, per se. However, it's repeated so often that I think it's worth taking the opportunity to voice my opinion, the same way that you did.

 

I must say this is strange, I listened and compared the 2s and XCs for about a day. I definitely stand by my impressions, and what I heard is perfectly understandable as closed-back headphones generally get more resonant because of the bass being amplified by the acoustics. The bass of the XC heard was definitely both heavier and less tight than that of the LCD-2 rev 2 (and, from memory, also the LCD-3) 

post #1262 of 2642
The speed and attacks of the xc are beyond belief. It just trumps with gusto the most complex arrangements I threw at it.
post #1263 of 2642
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Originally Posted by jayboy76 View Post

The speed and attacks of the xc are beyond belief. It just trumps with gusto the most complex arrangements I threw at it.

Which amp do you pair the XC with? Am still looking for an affordable amp to make it sound as it should. Having said that, the modest Little Dot Mk III OTL amp makes it sound pretty good with good holographic imaging and soundstage depth as well as greater airiness between instruments, something the Lyr couldn't do. All down to synergy i suppose.

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Originally Posted by Rossliew View Post

Which amp do you pair the XC with? Am still looking for an affordable amp to make it sound as it should. Having said that, the modest Little Dot Mk III OTL amp makes it sound pretty good with good holographic imaging and soundstage depth as well as greater airiness between instruments, something the Lyr couldn't do. All down to synergy i suppose.

So far everything I pair it with is a hoot from iPod to ak240. Comparatively to my mad dogs, the xc are super efficient. Though these days my chord Hugo drives it and I find its a really good pairing , providing that signature chord musicality to the amazing soundstage placement of the xc makes me listen for hours on end.
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So far everything I pair it with is a hoot from iPod to ak240. Comparatively to my mad dogs, the xc are super efficient. Though these days my chord Hugo drives it and I find its a really good pairing , providing that signature chord musicality to the amazing soundstage placement of the xc makes me listen for hours on end.

Wowzie..Chord Hugo eh..i might have to consider more non-conventional equipment to pair with the XC. Thanks, jayboy!

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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post

No way, dude... 

Yup 'dude'. I own both.

Maybe "boomy", strictly in the audiophile sense, is not the word, but compared to the LCD-2 rev2 the XC sounds tighter, faster and more articulate in the bass. This is comparing the two mentioned headphones and to me the bass in the LCD-2 is still very fun, impactful, and better than most other headphones I've auditioned. I also hear zero reverberations in the cups. Very impressive in this regard.

This is my opinion of the differences between them, and I stand by that. You might prefer the bass of the 2 more and that's fine.

On a side note, I have the Oppo HA-1 on order and I'll let you guys know how it sounds with both Audeze's.
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Originally Posted by Rossliew View Post
 
Having said that, the modest Little Dot Mk III OTL amp makes it sound pretty good with good holographic imaging and soundstage depth as well as greater airiness between instruments, something the Lyr couldn't do. All down to synergy i suppose.

The LCD-XC is rated as being a 22 Ohm non-reactive purely resistive load.

 

From glancing at the Little Dot Mk III docs, it's not entirely clear what is the amp's output impedance. They do list "Pre-Amplifier Output Impedance: 600 ohms" and a power output of 100 mW @ 32 ohm, but no listed amplifier output impedance. Since it's an OTL, I'd assume it also has a relatively high output impedance.

 

On paper, it seems like this would be a poor match due to it's inability to supply enough power at low impedance and what is likely a grossly insufficient damping factor.

 

Very interesting...

post #1268 of 2642
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post
 

 

No way, dude... 

Lan647,

 

My impressions regarding the XC are almost identical to RELIC's (and hence quite the opposite of yours). I find the XC to be much more articulate and a mid-range that is way more open than that of the LCD 2.2 (that I sold last month). With regard to the bass, I found the XC to be more tight and both HPs are not "boomy" to me. Goes to show how people hear differently. I wonder if the upstream equipment have anything to do with it. FWIW, I run my music from the Macbook Air throughout the Schiit Gungnir/Mjolnir stack.

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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

Lan647,

My impressions regarding the XC are almost identical to RELIC's (and hence quite the opposite of yours). I find the XC to be much more articulate and a mid-range that is way more open than that of the LCD 2.2 (that I sold last month). With regard to the bass, I found the XC to be more tight and both HPs are not "boomy" to me. Goes to show how people hear differently. I wonder if the upstream equipment have anything to do with it. FWIW, I run my music from the Macbook Air throughout the Schiit Gungnir/Mjolnir stack.

Man alive, that midrange! Yum.
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Originally Posted by BeyerMonster View Post
 

The LCD-XC is rated as being a 22 Ohm non-reactive purely resistive load.

 

From glancing at the Little Dot Mk III docs, it's not entirely clear what is the amp's output impedance. They do list "Pre-Amplifier Output Impedance: 600 ohms" and a power output of 100 mW @ 32 ohm, but no listed amplifier output impedance. Since it's an OTL, I'd assume it also has a relatively high output impedance.

 

On paper, it seems like this would be a poor match due to it's inability to supply enough power at low impedance and what is likely a grossly insufficient damping factor.

 

Very interesting...

I have a similar line of thinking as you i.e. the LD should theoretically have a higher output impedance considering it is built to drive predominantly high impedance headphones. When I paired it with the XCs, I was using the stock power tubes and a pair of mismatched 6AK5 driver tubes (one Raytheon and the other label barely discernible). The sound is not ideal but it sure sounds better than through the much more powerful and theoretically suitable Lyr. I'm baffled as well.

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Originally Posted by Rossliew View Post
 

............The sound is not ideal but it sure sounds better than through the much more powerful and theoretically suitable Lyr. I'm baffled as well.

I tested the XC for about an hour (needed to do more) with the Zana Deux. I was impressed with the overall presentation but I thought the Mojo was slightly faster. Need to double-check . I am giving the Lyr a workout tomorrow so...

post #1272 of 2642
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post
 

I am giving the Lyr a workout tomorrow so...

A-ha! Await your impressions..i suppose SS amps should be able to offer a tighter grip on the cans but let's see how your 3 way shoot-out goes :evil:

post #1273 of 2642
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Originally Posted by x RELIC x View Post


Man alive, that midrange! Yum.

Tell me about it. I normally listen to the XC through the Schiit Mjolnir; today I switched it up and plugged it into the Zana Deux. That midrange just blossomed forth. Need to spend a little more time with tube amps. I reserve the ZD exclusively for my HD 800 but I've got to be more broad-minded about things rather than just pigeon-holing equipment.

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Originally Posted by BeyerMonster View Post
 

The LCD-XC is rated as being a 22 Ohm non-reactive purely resistive load.

 

From glancing at the Little Dot Mk III docs, it's not entirely clear what is the amp's output impedance. They do list "Pre-Amplifier Output Impedance: 600 ohms" and a power output of 100 mW @ 32 ohm, but no listed amplifier output impedance. Since it's an OTL, I'd assume it also has a relatively high output impedance.

 

On paper, it seems like this would be a poor match due to it's inability to supply enough power at low impedance and what is likely a grossly insufficient damping factor.

 

Very interesting...

I have a similar line of thinking as you i.e. the LD should theoretically have a higher output impedance considering it is built to drive predominantly high impedance headphones. When I paired it with the XCs, I was using the stock power tubes and a pair of mismatched 6AK5 driver tubes (one Raytheon and the other label barely discernible). The sound is not ideal but it sure sounds better than through the much more powerful and theoretically suitable Lyr. I'm baffled as well.

I never thought much about it, but I haven't spent much time with my ALO Pan Am other than just basking in the novelty of tube warmth(first one I've owned). It too has an unspecified output impedance which is likely fairly high. I've mostly just noticed that the gain switch seems to have a large effect on the frequency response (Hi = U or V-shaped, Lo = Flat), but at some point I will try and do a more thorough comparison.

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Originally Posted by BeyerMonster View Post

I never thought much about it, but I haven't spent much time with my ALO Pan Am other than just basking in the novelty of tube warmth(first one I've owned). It too has an unspecified output impedance which is likely fairly high. I've mostly just noticed that the gain switch seems to have a large effect on the frequency response (Hi = U or V-shaped, Lo = Flat), but at some point I will try and do a more thorough comparison.

I read earlier in the thread where Mike Mercer said his XC sounded great over the Pan Am. Too bad I sold mine off awhile back but if you do try it with yours, please post impressions here. Thanks:-)
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