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help me choose between hd650's, Momentums and v-moda m100 (cant listen to all 3)

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Good Morning Everyone, well at least its morning in Melbourne, Aus

Im trying to narrow my desicion down on the above 3, my main problem is i am finding it difficult to find a shop in Melbourne that has these headphones. I can find the momentums and have listened, but the other 2 i cannot find, so im going to need to rely on the opinions of the people in this forum.

I listen to mainly rap and dance, but sometimes grunge and metal depending on how my day has gone......... and also some gaming. And im looking at Over Ear.

My findings so far after wearing, listening and reading through plenty of information on here,

1. Momentums sound great, i really enjoyed to sample music they were playing in the shop.
2. I have found and worn a pair of 558's and really enjoyed to size of the ear cup compared to the momentums, and i imagine the 558's have a similar cup size to the 650's (well they look like they do)
3. most reviews here review against music i dont really listen to, but some of the dance and rap song in the reviews, the momentums score better against the 650's because of the extra bass.
4. people say the m-100's are not really close the the sennheiser models, but have a really good bass sound.

What im not trying to do i emulate the bass of a subwoofer blasting from a car stereo, im not a basshead, but i do enjoy it (if that makes sense)

So, if any fellow Melbournians that read this might be able to point me somewhere where i can listen (dont like my chances) thats great, but other wise im going to have to rely on the people here.

thanks in advance (please dont suggest any other head phones unless you really think it warrants me to think about them)
post #2 of 15

What will be driving these cans?  The 650 needs an amp.

 

Are you OK with open cans (they leak sound and don't isolate well)?

post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
I feel the open ones suit my ears better.

Ok, i didnt know the 650 will need an amp, might push the budget if i need to get one of them also. So i guess thats why in reviews they say the Momentum is better straight out of the box, i thought that ment the 650 needs tuning or something, that makes sense though.

I will be using and iPod, and the sound card on the computer.

Thanks for the advice.
post #4 of 15

Get the HD600s.

 

Both the 650 and 600 have high impedance, but are pretty high sensitivity. They might scale up with a decent amp, but can drive them out of an laptop or portable just as well.

post #5 of 15

Both the 600 and 650 are 300 Ohm cans with sensitivity ratings of 97 dB and 103 dB, respectively.  Those are not an easy to drive cans and not ones made to be driven by an iPod or an unamplified computer sound card (and certainly not by on board audio).

 

If you’re looking for headphones to use with a portable player or laptop, stick to the range of 16 – 32 ohms with a sensitivity (efficiency) rating of at least 100 dB/mW. There are some higher impedance headphones, up to 80 ohms or so, that are efficient enough to work well with at least some portable gear—especially if you don’t like it very loud. But, in general, the lower the impedance the better the match with battery powered devices.

post #6 of 15

The HD600 and HD650 are both about ~98 dB:

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD600.pdf (0.17 mW to 90 dBSPL -> 97.7 dB sensitivity)

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD650.pdf (0.13 mW to 90 dBSPL -> 98.9 dB sensitivity)

 

An iPod can provide about 1 V or 1.8 mW into 550 ohms (HD6x0 impedance at resonance). This means you can go as far as 100 to 101 dB SPL (peak) with an iPod:

 

10*log10(1.8*10^(sensitivity_dB/10))

 

If there music used has about 15 dB of dynamic range, that leaves about 85 dB (about 80 dB if the iPod can only do 0.5V) which while not that much, it is still a bit loud.

 

I've also tried running HD600s from my laptop and Sansa Clip+. This is not optimal, but it works with the Sansa. Results with the laptop depend on how much voltage the soundcard can provide.

 

If buying the 600, instead of the 650, that leaves some budget for an amp.

 

EDIT: The 558s are easier to drive and pretty good IMO. But the 600s, if in the OP's budget, are just too awesome.


Edited by ultrabike - 11/15/13 at 6:33pm
post #7 of 15

Focus on either the HD600 or HD650.  The rest you mention aren't even in the same league - including the Momentum.  If it was, Sennheiser would sell it for more $$.

 

Either the HD600 or the HD650 can live and grow with you if you continue to progress.  They can scale up to the best amplifiers and sources on the market and still provide noticeable improvements with each upgrade.

post #8 of 15
You must be ready to progress in your music taste if you'll want to get all the goodies the hd600 and 650 can deliver. Also dedicated audio gear would be good to have later on. Look, it requires some devotion. If you just want plug and play, good sound, get the m100 or perhaps some other open can that is suitable for your kind of music while not requiring an amp. Maybe look into Phillips fidelio x1.
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 

Hi everyone, thanks for the replies, i may have confused everyone a bit, the only reason why i am comparing the HD650 to the momentum is because i can roughly get the HD650 for the same price as the Momentum. How much would an amp be (roughly) if i went down this path?? and i will look into the 600's also. Isn't carrying around an amp annoying to carry around, or is is worth it for the extra quality??

 

I think I'm tending to lean towards straight of the box, purely because I'm not a level now where I'm looking for advanced sound, just want to pull them out when i need them and be happy.

post #10 of 15
You know the hd600/650 will leak and isn't really portable at all?
post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 
I am aware of that, I only leant towards them because of the price. So should it just be down to momentum or v-moda?
post #12 of 15

Nope. There are the NAD VISO HP50 also...

 

IMO, your audio kung-fu doesn't have to be at some mythical level to enjoy quality sound. IMO the HD600's will deliver better all-around sound quality than the Momentums, V-moda, and the NADs.

 

As far as portability, the HD600s are bigger than the Momentums, and are not the latest fashion statement. But they are comfy, are light, and are not butt-ugly. I wouldn't mind wearing them on my commute or at my office driven out of my iPad or Laptop. Again, while you won't have ample headroom, you should be able to drive the HD600s out of a portable. Get. Them.

post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks, I have found some 600s, what amp should I look for?

Thanks heaps with all the help also
post #14 of 15
Good luck is all I can say. Be sure to read some reviews. Hd600 doesn't have emphasised bass, and can apparently be a little slow sounding and not that engaging for your genres. Just what I have heard around on the forum..
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Stecam View Post

Thanks, I have found some 600s, what amp should I look for?

Thanks heaps with all the help also

Well, perhaps an UHA-6S MKII though that one is $280:

http://www.leckertonaudio.com/products/uha-6s-mkii

I heard the Leckerton, and it is pretty awesome.

 

You could also give the less expensive FiiO E12 a shot. Specs look juicy, but have not tried that one (others might chime in):

http://www.amazon.com/E12-Blanc-Portable-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B00B6QXWIY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1384720004&sr=8-5&keywords=fiio

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Good luck is all I can say. Be sure to read some reviews. Hd600 doesn't have emphasised bass, and can apparently be a little slow sounding and not that engaging for your genres. Just what I have heard around on the forum..
 
I found it pretty engaging and not slow at all. It's definitively not bass heavy or treble happy. But from what I heard out of them, it delivers the goods if the recording has them. I feel it is actually a little less laid-back than the HD650s. It also pairs very well with a home receiver, tube amps, and bigger solid state amps.

Edited by ultrabike - 11/17/13 at 12:34pm
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