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post #31 of 131

As I've mentioned in another thread, the P7s benefit enormously from burn-in. Be sure to give them some time before judging them. I was never too sure about burn-in (some of the effect is surely psycho-acoustic adjustment of our ears / brain). But my P7 experience confirmed that it's indeed real in some cases. I don't know why the manufacturers don't "pre-burn" their phones. In the case of the P7s I'm sure they have lost some potential buyers due to the initially "harsh" sound signature. Mine sound fantastic after about 200 hours.

post #32 of 131
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Originally Posted by paulchiu View Post


Apple store price match now?  Which ones?

I called the 800 number. So here is what happened:

They said they would price matych the Senn Momentums (which I bought and returned). Apple had it at 349 while everyone else had them at 299. So the rep told me 10% was the max that they would match, but only if an Authorized Apple retailer carried the sale price.

That brought the Senn's down to 315.

I went into the store to return the Senns and purchase my P7's. The manager honored the 10% off of those as well....bringing the 399 P7's to 359 and change.

I think the price match is designed mainly for their computers.... but I'll take it!

Of course, Target is offering 10% off in store purchases if you can find some cans there. You can order in store for the 10% off until today and use your red card for another 5% off. Pretty sweet if they have what you need.
post #33 of 131

Having owned the P7 for a while now and having owned the Momentum for almost a year (sold it a few weeks ago), I can say for certain the P7 is the better headphone. For once, I definitely disagree with Tyll on this one for the most part. I find the P7 significantly more comfortable and significantly better sounding than the Momentum. Comparison follows: 

 

The P7 is a little tight initially, but it improved for me with a day of use. And if it doesn't for you, just bend the headband a tiny bit and problemo solved. You can't enlarge the earcups of the Momentum though, if they are too small then you are out of luck. 

Sound wise, the Momentum features a dark and mellowed sound signature albeit with good balance from bass to midrange. The P7 features a more neutral sound overall, with a slight U-shape to it, but not in any way that's excessive or particularly unnatural. 

 

Starting with the lows, both have impactful, potent but not excessive bass and excellent extension. The P7 goes a hair lower, but you won't miss out on much low-end information with any of them. The bass of the Momentum isn't nearly as well defined as that of the P7 though. It's a little thicker and sloppier and not as precise. You'll get better low-end definition and control with the P7. The bass of the P7 is clearer, airier and snappier. It's less resonant, more controlled and distinct. I really enjoy the bass of the P7. It's so wonderfully tight and warm and just bounces along the notes. Myself, I find the bass very evenly balanced and it never bothers the midrange.

The treble of the Momentum - apart from being recessed - has a wispy character to it and doesn't even come close to the far more accurate and refined treble of the P7. The treble of the P7 is phenomenal, possibly the best I've heard from a closed-back headphone. I can understand how some would find it bright as it's certainly more to the lively side of things than laid-back, but personally I enjoy it and have not found myself bothered by any brightness or sibilance. No matter if you find it bright or not, in terms of character, it's undeniably very pure and natural - and the resolution is far beyond what the Momentum accomplishes. 

The mids on both are good, but different. The Momentum has a very inviting midrange sound, it's fuller and richer than that of the P7. But it's a little too warm sounding, because of the mid-bass that's somewhat boomy and thickens the low mids some. The Momentum also lacks some upper midrange/lower treble air and presence, leading to a more suffocated midrange than that of the P7. 

 

The midrange of the P7 is less inviting, and ever so slightly lacking in organic quality compared to a great high-end headphone like the Audeze LCD-2 rev 2. But it's clearer and not veiled like with the Momentum. I wouldn't call the midrange forward, but neither does it strike me as being laid-back in a way that it lacks presence in the mix. The midrange of the old Denons is more laid-back, for example. The upper bass - lower midrange balance of the P7 is almost perfect.

 

The biggest difference may be in the soundstaging. Even if you don't care much for soundstage size and definition, there is no arguing the P7 offers more of those than the Momentum. Everything just sounds bigger and airier, with far better layering. The Momentum sounds comparably small and suffocated, with not much breathing room for vocals and instruments in the recording (this is probably mostly due to the lack of treble presence) The P7 on the other hand, separates the music with excellent depth and precision. 

The P7 just seems like a more thought-through design to me, acoustically as well as ergonomically. If you get used to the step up in clarity, balance, refinement and openness of the P7 the Momentum will just sound veiled compared. 

 

IMHO!

 


Edited by Lan647 - 12/22/13 at 5:25pm
post #34 of 131

@Lan647,

 

but the real question is: is the P7 $100 better sounding than the Momentums? lol. I personally thought no. For comfort, I can definitely see why people may prefer the P7.

 

It sounds from your comparison that it is mainly a sound signature difference rather than pure sound quality improvement. As for sound stage, I've heard that the $200 akg k545 handily beats both the P7, Momentums, and the new NAD Visio HP50. =P

 

great comparison tho. i really enjoyed reading it

post #35 of 131
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 

@Lan647,

 

but the real question is: is the P7 $100 better sounding than the Momentums? lol. I personally thought no. For comfort, I can definitely see why people may prefer the P7.

 

It sounds from your comparison that it is mainly a sound signature difference rather than pure sound quality improvement. As for sound stage, I've heard that the $200 akg k545 handily beats both the P7, Momentums, and the new NAD Visio HP50. =P

 

great comparison tho. i really enjoyed reading it

Sound wise no, but comfort wise is a hell yes!  Besides AKG fan boys will always say AKG whatever beats whatever.  Is it true is only up to you.


Edited by DrSheep - 12/22/13 at 5:33pm
post #36 of 131
I know this thread is about the comparison of the Momentum to the P7 but can anyone weigh in on the AKG 545 as an alternative? TIA
post #37 of 131
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Originally Posted by stawx View Post


I called the 800 number. So here is what happened:

They said they would price matych the Senn Momentums (which I bought and returned). Apple had it at 349 while everyone else had them at 299. So the rep told me 10% was the max that they would match, but only if an Authorized Apple retailer carried the sale price.

That brought the Senn's down to 315.

I went into the store to return the Senns and purchase my P7's. The manager honored the 10% off of those as well....bringing the 399 P7's to 359 and change.

I think the price match is designed mainly for their computers.... but I'll take it!

Of course, Target is offering 10% off in store purchases if you can find some cans there. You can order in store for the 10% off until today and use your red card for another 5% off. Pretty sweet if they have what you need.

 

 

hey thanks for all that.  So complicated!

 

I just ordered the P7 from Crutchfield.  They had it in stock and I had a $10 coupon off from the Senny Momentum purchase I made in Oct 2012.

 

I am looking forwards to it as I never own any B&W headphones and liked how they feel at the Apple stores.

post #38 of 131
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Edited by paulchiu - 12/22/13 at 5:54pm
post #39 of 131
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post

@Lan647,

but the real question is: is the P7 $100 better sounding than the Momentums? lol. I personally thought no. For comfort, I can definitely see why people may prefer the P7.

It sounds from your comparison that it is mainly a sound signature difference rather than pure sound quality improvement. As for sound stage, I've heard that the $200 akg k545 handily beats both the P7, Momentums, and the new NAD Visio HP50. =P

great comparison tho. i really enjoyed reading it

The akg k545s are overall not better than the momentum over-ear and p7, but can be a better value if you want the following:

  • Swivel earcups
  • Less constricted earcups
  • Softer earcup padding
  • Large headband (same as the larger earcup k550)
  • More conventional earcup shape (full circle)
  • Brighter overall sound presentation
  • Colder sound signature
  • More artificial sub-bass, sub-mids, and sub-treble
  • Larger, but much more artificial soundstage (makes digital pop music sound like it is playing on a tape deck from all of the compressed imaging)
  • Do not mind the mediocre isolation
  • Will take them off-and-on that much
  • Will not be using a portable amp as much (does not scale as well as both momentum and p7)

So the biggest trade-offs for the lower price of $250 is a brighter and more artificial sound, less isolation, and less amplifier scalability for portability, comfort, and a sleek, but more conventional look. Hope this helps.
post #40 of 131
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Originally Posted by deltarocket View Post

I know this thread is about the comparison of the Momentum to the P7 but can anyone weigh in on the AKG 545 as an alternative? TIA

Whoops, meant to quote deltarocket, but glad to address someone else's statement more directly and that DrSheep agrees with me on the k545 comfort.
post #41 of 131
@pbui44, those are interesting observations, tho I have read quite a few reviews with very differing opinions about their sound signature. Mind I ask you how long you had them to demo & what source you used & what kind of set-up did you have?
post #42 of 131
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Originally Posted by pbui44 View Post


The akg k545s are overall not better than the momentum over-ear and p7, but can be a better value if you want the following:
 
  • Swivel earcups
  • Less constricted earcups
  • Softer earcup padding
  • Large headband (same as the larger earcup k550)
  • More conventional earcup shape (full circle)
  • Brighter overall sound presentation
  • Colder sound signature
  • More artificial sub-bass, sub-mids, and sub-treble
  • Larger, but much more artificial soundstage (makes digital pop music sound like it is playing on a tape deck from all of the compressed imaging)
  • Do not mind the mediocre isolation
  • Will take them off-and-on that much
  • Will not be using a portable amp as much (does not scale as well as both momentum and p7)

So the biggest trade-offs for the lower price of $250 is a brighter and more artificial sound, less isolation, and less amplifier scalability for portability, comfort, and a sleek, but more conventional look. Hope this helps.

Thanks, and this is rather helpful.

post #43 of 131
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post

@pbui44, those are interesting observations, tho I have read quite a few reviews with very differing opinions about their sound signature. Mind I ask you how long you had them to demo & what source you used & what kind of set-up did you have?

Demoed twice at different Magnolia locations for approx. 30 minutes total, both times with an iphone 3gs and once with a pa2v2 portable amp. Even with the pa2v2, the k545 sound signature was colder in comparison. I have demoed the p7s a bunch of times and owned the momentum over-ears for 9 months before trading them. When I say tape deck, I mean lusher sound presentation with compressed imaging from the tape size. Maybe the conventional design also brought me back to a time when I used tape decks.
Edited by pbui44 - 12/22/13 at 7:53pm
post #44 of 131
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Originally Posted by stawx View Post

I called the 800 number. So here is what happened:

They said they would price matych the Senn Momentums (which I bought and returned). Apple had it at 349 while everyone else had them at 299. So the rep told me 10% was the max that they would match, but only if an Authorized Apple retailer carried the sale price.

That brought the Senn's down to 315.

I went into the store to return the Senns and purchase my P7's. The manager honored the 10% off of those as well....bringing the 399 P7's to 359 and change.

I think the price match is designed mainly for their computers.... but I'll take it!

Of course, Target is offering 10% off in store purchases if you can find some cans there. You can order in store for the 10% off until today and use your red card for another 5% off. Pretty sweet if they have what you need.

What store did you price match. I just bought my P7s so I can still get money back if you don't mind providing me your source. Please and thank you.
post #45 of 131
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post

@Lan647,

but the real question is: is the P7 $100 better sounding than the Momentums? lol. I personally thought no. For comfort, I can definitely see why people may prefer the P7.

It sounds from your comparison that it is mainly a sound signature difference rather than pure sound quality improvement. As for sound stage, I've heard that the $200 akg k545 handily beats both the P7, Momentums, and the new NAD Visio HP50. =P

great comparison tho. i really enjoyed reading it

I think I made it quite clear that the P7 is superior wink.gif

$100 better sonically? Depends. But you also get better build quality, so to me the difference in $$$ seems legit.
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