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post #31 of 47
You can damn there make anything sound great with an amp. The q701 barely has any bass, and if you disagree, then you must listen to veeeeeery bass light genres. The m100 doesn't sound muddy.
post #32 of 47
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post

You can damn there make anything sound great with an amp. The q701 barely has any bass, and if you disagree, then you must listen to veeeeeery bass light genres. The m100 doesn't sound muddy.

Well you need to drive it correctly, you can't expect to run a headphone that is not efficient with a poor source. 

post #33 of 47
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post

You can damn there make anything sound great with an amp. The q701 barely has any bass, and if you disagree, then you must listen to veeeeeery bass light genres. The m100 doesn't sound muddy.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Primetime86 View Post
 

Well you need to drive it correctly, you can't expect to run a headphone that is not efficient with a poor source.

We are all tallking about stock with no amping, because every reference goes out the window if you have to factor EQ and amp along.

post #34 of 47
That's just silly because some headphones where made to be used with a powerful source. You can't judge a high end phone that is not efficient out of a source that isn't enough to get the power out.
post #35 of 47
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Originally Posted by Primetime86 View Post

That's just silly because some headphones where made to be used with a powerful source. You can't judge a high end phone that is not efficient out of a source that isn't enough to get the power out.

So by your standard I can bash in the forums that the HD800 is a POS because I don't have a good amp for it, and I don't tell the rest of the world my reference for testing?  Should I roll Audeze and Stax with whatever other sources and amps into this apples to oranges discussion of yours?

post #36 of 47
Stop being silly, h
would you be able to say that if you don't have the correct equipment? That's my point.
post #37 of 47
Eq allows for a more unbiased point of view.

Some headphones require amps, but if the amp costs over $200... or the can is veeery picky, it's not really fair to compare. For example:

A certain food tastes delicious (lets call it x) and another food, Z, only tastes good when loaded with toppings and marinades and seasonings. The q701 is z and m100 is x. With z, your tasting more of the seasonings than the actual food (can I have some fries with my ketchup!). With x, sure some seasonings can help, but it's acceptable and delicious without seasoning (Ill have some ketchup with my fries).
post #38 of 47
They wouldn't even been compared to begin with, one is a high end phone while the other is a portable consumer grade phone. Ones efficient the other is not. Comparing stock wouldn't be fair because one wouldn't be performing to what it should. You can however compare both if they where being driven properly but this whole thing isn't about comparing you said the K701 or 702 have no bass which isn't true when driven properly. I didnt even bring up a k702 vs M100.
post #39 of 47
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post

Eq allows for a more unbiased point of view.

Some headphones require amps, but if the amp costs over $200... or the can is veeery picky, it's not really fair to compare. For example:

A certain food tastes delicious (lets call it x) and another food, Z, only tastes good when loaded with toppings and marinades and seasonings. The q701 is z and m100 is x. With z, your tasting more of the seasonings than the actual food (can I have some fries with my ketchup!). With x, sure some seasonings can help, but it's acceptable and delicious without seasoning (Ill have some ketchup with my fries).

My point exactly, as those headphones are not even in the same league as the M-100.  And I will never bash a headphone with out giving proper reference for my test setup, so OF COURSE I will able to correct myself IF I found out I didn't use the correct equipment for my tests afterwards.

post #40 of 47

Some women can see more of the color spectrum than men. Some people, like myself, are sensitive to treble and sibilance, is it possible that some are sensitive to bass and sub bass in the same way? I found the B&O H6 to have almost no bass at all. I'd be curious to hear your impressions about them Primetime.

post #41 of 47
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Originally Posted by SpiderNhan View Post
 

Some women can see more of the color spectrum than men. Some people, like myself, are sensitive to treble and sibilance, is it possible that some are sensitive to bass and sub bass in the same way? I found the B&O H6 to have almost no bass at all. I'd be curious to hear your impressions about them Primetime.

LOL I wanted to suggest the H6 too, but I really don't want to put fuel into the fire.  Remember my beef was his over generalization (type 2 error), lack of sourcing and reference, and basically poor analysis and frame for the argument.  If I do analysis like him in my line of work, people will die and I will be kicked out of the office in an heartbeat.

post #42 of 47
Is that your attempt at humor? That's very funny you should be proud wink.gif lol joking aside if you want a more detailed opinion I'll give it a shot. Right, I find these great for EDM the bass hits hard and is pretty full souding. It creates a live and exciting experience.

Switch to something with vocals, I use Dont cry by Guns and roses as tester song as I know it so well. It sounds very muddled like the sound is trying to do to many things at once. There is no seperation and the detail lacking. His vocals sound behind and like it's trying to come through but it's stuck. I find this the case for a lot of music other than EDM. Also it's evident how boring and dry and not musical these are due to the mids and uneven mix with other types of music. My beef with the M100 is it's priced too high and it's advertised as something it's not.
Edited by Primetime86 - 11/19/13 at 4:28am
post #43 of 47
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Originally Posted by Primetime86 View Post

Is that your attempt at humor? That's very funny you should be proud wink.gif lol joking aside if you want a more detailed opinion I'll give it a shot. Right, I find these great for EDM the bass hits hard and is pretty full souding. It creates a live and exciting experience.

Switch to something with vocals, I use Dont cry by Guns and roses as tester song as I know it so well. It sounds very muddled like the sound is trying to do to many things at once. There is no seperation and the detail lacking. His vocals sound behind and like it's trying to come through but it's stuck. I find this the case for a lot of music other than EDM. Also it's evident how boring and dry and not musical these are due to the mids and uneven mix with other types of music. My beef with the M100 is it's priced too high and it's advertised as something it's not.

I have no issues with your own impression on your music with the M-100, my beef is that you still have not listed what are your source equipments are for songs after all these post.  Price wise it is on par with the Sennheiser Momentum so it is fair, and it was always marketed as a DJ headphone and not reference style monitor for audiophiles.

post #44 of 47
The momentum is pretty overpriced too here in the UK. I find it a significantly better headphone than the M100 in the mids and treble but it's different in signature. Reason I find unfair is there are phones like the DT770 that do a better job and much cheaper.

My source? Ipod 7th gen fiio e6, e11 and e12 for my M100
post #45 of 47
The ws99 is better too.
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