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I've heard a lot of good things about the AMR...who did you buy it from?

 

Darren at Avatar Acoustics http://www.avataracoustics.com/home.html

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Originally Posted by Gary in MD View Post
 


Barry:

 

I don't have matched DSD and FLAC files... yet.  (Given the price, I bought just one or the other).  I have DSD recordings that sound better than any of the FLAC recordings I have.  If I have time today or tomorrow I might buy a DSD version of one of the FLAC albums I already have to give it a try... in the pursuit of science, of course...

 

How about use JRiver to convert the DSD file to PCM (Wav or FLAC) file?     In this way you can also try to convert it with different sampling rates,  44.1k, 192k, ...   (Most of the none-DSD dacs can play 192k)

I haven't tried it, I don't know how good is JRiver's algorithms.


Edited by yfei - 1/2/14 at 9:31am
post #933 of 1331
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Originally Posted by Barry S View Post

 

 

I don't get it, frankly...

post #934 of 1331
DSD Dacs is not the way to go?
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I have the DA8 and I have a total of 1 album in DSD. The albums are prohibitively expensive, I see no reason to buy them. So its a nice feature to have but probably not necessary.

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Originally Posted by Gary in MD View Post
 


Barry:

 

I don't have matched DSD and FLAC files... yet.  (Given the price, I bought just one or the other).  I have DSD recordings that sound better than any of the FLAC recordings I have.  If I have time today or tomorrow I might buy a DSD version of one of the FLAC albums I already have to give it a try... in the pursuit of science, of course...

 

Cool, I think it would be worth trying. The whole DSD thing is a can of worms and there seems to be conflicting views on whether it has any value.

 

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How about use JRiver to convert the DSD file to PCM (Wav or FLAC) file?     In this way you can also try to convert it with different sampling rates,  44.1k, 192k, ...   (Most of the none-DSD dacs can play 192k)

I haven't tried it, I don't know how good is JRiver's algorithms.

 

Based on Gary's testing there's already some reason to believe the JRiver on-the-fly downconversion is suspect. Does JRiver use a more robust conversion to render and save files? It seems like it would be best auditioning professionally rendered files.

 

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I don't get it, frankly...

;)

post #937 of 1331
Seems that an apples to apples comparison would have the Yulong Plus an appropriate preamp compared to a Mytek, Lynx. Benchmark in DSD mode, etc etc.

Not a midrange dac comparison, IMHO, but a different project.
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

+1 on the vinyl, atleast money spent there brings big improvements.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post
 

 

I would make the comment that it's perhaps not so much "improvement" as it is making art.

 

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Originally Posted by cizx View Post
 

you would?  under what circumstances would you make that comment?  would you announce that you were about to make it first, every time?

 

;)

 

sorry, bored.

 

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I am of the opinion that with the physical limitations of the medium, beyond a certain point of technical proficiency it's all just painting with different strokes.

 

It's 5am. Why haven't I gone to bed yet? Gonna pass out soon.

 

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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post


Weighty questions need answering and you are a team player.

 

 

A physical copy is going to be imperfect (nevermind the material limitations of the actual vinyl itself), plus you're running it through a heavy EQ twice (once for the pressing, and again for the playback).

post #939 of 1331

I just placed an order for the DA8.

 

I blame you for this Gary :)

 

Seriously, I appreciate all the work you put into this project, saving the rest of us from having to do it.  Kudos.

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Originally Posted by yfei View Post
 

 

How about use JRiver to convert the DSD file to PCM (Wav or FLAC) file?     In this way you can also try to convert it with different sampling rates,  44.1k, 192k, ...   (Most of the none-DSD dacs can play 192k)

I haven't tried it, I don't know how good is JRiver's algorithms.


As Barry indicated, I did that, in that all of the non-DSD DACs got fed a converted FLAC file.  Night and Day difference in sound quality doing that.  DSD wins.

 

As I indicated in an earlier post, at some point in the next few days I will buy a FLAC version of something I already have in DSD, but I don't have time for that right now.  I have DACs to pack and get RMAs for, and an Emo headphone amp output to listen to.  The final Ciunas testing will probably wait at least until tonight.

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Originally Posted by potterma View Post

Excellent work, Gary! So, I did bet on the right horse after all smily_headphones1.gif

Pre-amp shootout 2014!!! Yeah , baby! Boy have brunk and I got suggestions for you!

Seriously, though, I think a LDR passive pre would be right on the money!

Mmmm...preamps *drool* :beerchug:

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Originally Posted by Gary in MD View Post
 


As Barry indicated, I did that, in that all of the non-DSD DACs got fed a converted FLAC file.  Night and Day difference in sound quality doing that.  DSD wins.

 

As I indicated in an earlier post, at some point in the next few days I will buy a FLAC version of something I already have in DSD, but I don't have time for that right now.  I have DACs to pack and get RMAs for, and an Emo headphone amp output to listen to.  The final Ciunas testing will probably wait at least until tonight.

That's technically not true.  They're not getting fed any kind of file.  JRiver is doing the conversion on the fly and sending the data directly, not saving it to flac first.  It's possible, but I'm not claiming it's true, that converting to flac files and then playing them back would sound different.  I'm not sure how configurable jriver is with converting to PCM as far as bitrate goes.  I've only done it with foobar2000.

post #943 of 1331

We want Hilo! We want Hilo!...

:smile_phones: 

post #944 of 1331

Will be part of the indistinguishable, there's no point :o

 

I now just wished there was more "colored" DACs with special output stages (like the EE minimax or Audio-GD offering).

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I tried back tracking a bit to find the comparisons but couldn't.  Could i get a link to the page please?

Also, i've been considering upgrading my peachtree audio DAC*IT but the guys over at avsforums.com in particular the prestigious ARNYK say that DAC's are the easiest device in audio gear to make perfect and basically if done right  they will sound the same.  He says this is possible at a very cheap price.  What are the findings here?

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