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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

 

I also used the V800, DAC100 with the Bryston with stellar results. I didn't find the Bryston nearly as fatiguing as the MJ personally-and Maxvla and others also really like the HD800/BHA-1 pairing, despite it's slight sizzle up top. I would say it'sthe best ss amp I've heard with the Senns along with the Luxman-albeit completely ifferent sound sigs/strengths. I would call the Bryston slightly north of neutral-but for whatever reason it still sounds excellent with the HD800. I think the bright, aggressive Gungnir in that rig simply took those traits to another level-and wasjust completely overbearing and harsh-almost unlistenable. FWIW I found the BHA-1 very similar if you will to the HD800: a sonic chameleon with nice soundstaging, and a slightly annoying top end at times-but thoroughly enjoyable, and an excellent rig to hear the differences in dacs. My .02.

 

-Daniel

 

Good information and it really makes want to hear the BHA-1. The HD800 is definitely a chameleon--really different sounding depending on the amp.

 

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Nope. The Gungnir was definitely the culprit for me. Its flaws were still evident when heard through speakers.

Yes, the MJ shares similar traits, but they're not as obnoxious as the Gungnir. The MJ does nothing to sugar coat the source component. This was confirmed when the M51 entered the stable.

Read purrin's thread. There are other people there who independently reached the same conclusion. Even purrin agrees with the assessment, though he does value the Gungnir's aggressive nature and has rated the DAC accordingly.

 

Before Gary's comparison I was ready to pull the trigger on an M51 based on your descriptions--almost did it. I went straight for the M51 when I first went to Gary's and I'll be the first to say it's a superb DAC. But there were other DACs that sounded extremely close with only very subtle differences. When I brought the Gungnir back, I expected it to fall short, but it fell into the main group. Not what I expected, but I have to believe my ears (like everyone else). I wish more head-fiers could have visited for the comparison, but if you've done your own--you have to trust it.

 

The LCD-X is as revealing and detailed as any headphone I've heard including the HD800 and SR-007/9. Gary is very familiar with the LCD-3 and can pick out anything I can hear with the LCD-X. The top flagships all have tons of coherent detail, but the signatures vary the emphasis. The LCD-3's sound thick and syrupy to me (after the LCD-X), but all the detail is there.

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If you people stop writing stuff for me to read then I'll have time to write up a summary report tonight But I keep spending time reading... and posting little things and PM'ing folks about returning equipment, etc., (that's right, I'm blaming the customer:D).  Busy, busy, busy...

 

And then there's a football game to watch too.  So it might be pretty late tonight or tomorrow before I'm through.  But I promise I'll finish it as soon as I can.

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Originally Posted by Gary in MD View Post

If you people stop writing stuff for me to read then I'll have time to write up a summary report tonight But I keep spending time reading... and posting little things and PM'ing folks about returning equipment, etc., (that's right, I'm blaming the customer:D ).  Busy, busy, busy...

And then there's a football game to watch too.  So it might be pretty late tonight or tomorrow before I'm through.  But I promise I'll finish it as soon as I can.

Yes, blame the football game! tongue.gif

Oooops, I hope you didn't waste any time reading this. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

Nope. The Gungnir was definitely the culprit for me. Its flaws were still evident when heard through speakers.


Yes, the MJ shares similar traits, but they're not as obnoxious as the Gungnir. The MJ does nothing to sugar coat the source component. This was confirmed when the M51 entered the stable.


Read purrin's thread. There are other people there who independently reached the same conclusion. Even purrin agrees with the assessment, though he does value the Gungnir's aggressive nature and has rated the DAC accordingly.

Before Gary's comparison I was ready to pull the trigger on an M51 based on your descriptions--almost did it. I went straight for the M51 when I first went to Gary's and I'll be the first to say it's a superb DAC. But there were other DACs that sounded extremely close with only very subtle differences. When I brought the Gungnir back, I expected it to fall short, but it fell into the main group. Not what I expected, but I have to believe my ears (like everyone else). I wish more head-fiers could have visited for the comparison, but if you've done your own--you have to trust it.

The LCD-X is as revealing and detailed as any headphone I've heard including the HD800 and SR-007/9. Gary is very familiar with the LCD-3 and can pick out anything I can hear with the LCD-X. The top flagships all have tons of coherent detail, but the signatures vary the emphasis. The LCD-3's sound thick and syrupy to me (after the LCD-X), but all the detail is there.

Lol, don't ever buy gear based on my impressions! I confess to being overly enthusiastic at times, but few here can honestly say they're not guilty of that. I've sang praises of components in the past, only to learn that minute flaws can balloon and grate to the point of sufferance (as in the Gungnir). I'm now more weary of first impressions and (try to) refrain posting my own subjective experiences without having spent significant time with the component.

At this level, small differences can make or break a system. To some, those differences may be minuscule that the added expense cannot be justified. For others it could be the final piece of the jigsaw. It's why a hardline objectivist view is absurd IMO. Tolerances and thresholds vary. No one has any business telling anyone else where to draw the line here.

Also, firmware updates have affected the M51's balance. There's a lengthy thread elsewhere detailing these changes. Perhaps that factored into your assessment?
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Honestly when I first got the gungnir, I felt the same as olor1n and maxvla about it. It was loud, and louder! But after 2 weeks of continuous burn in, and perhaps some brain burn in as well, I feel that the gungnir is actually not as aggressive as I initially found it to be. Perhaps USB gen 2 really made a significant difference, like Purrin said. 

 

I actually like the gungnir now, or at least don't mind it. 

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I believe I updated the M51 firmware to the latest when I set it up.  But that was several weeks and several DAC setups ago.  I did not update the PWD, because it involved using a blank SD card, one of which was not handy. 

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I believe I updated the M51 firmware to the latest when I set it up.  But that was several weeks and several DAC setups ago.  I did not update the PWD, because it involved using a blank SD card, one of which was not handy. 

That could've been the "issue". 1.39 is apparently where it's at and many have avoided the updates as a result. I believe current version is 1.41.
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Honestly when I first got the gungnir, I felt the same as olor1n and maxvla about it. It was loud, and louder! But after 2 weeks of continuous burn in, and perhaps some brain burn in as well, I feel that the gungnir is actually not as aggressive as I initially found it to be. Perhaps USB gen 2 really made a significant difference, like Purrin said. 

I actually like the gungnir now, or at least don't mind it. 

I doubt the gen 2 USB board would address the issues I had with the Gungnir. I found it just as grating through optical. The flaws weren't inherent in Schiit's gen 1 USB implementation.
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Move on, nothing to see here.....
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I've heard that from a few people, but after directly comparing the Gungnir with other DACs, and testing different amps with the Gungnir, I don't think it's true. The Mjolnir is very forward and I think that's where this impression comes from--since the two are frequently heard together. If someone has a Gungnir/Mjolnir and is looking for a warmer, thicker sound--the Mjolnir is the component that needs to be swapped.
So that's what it is. Thanks Barry. What would you recommend as an amp to achieve that "warmer, thicker" sound?
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So that's what it is. Thanks Barry. What would you recommend as an amp to achieve that "warmer, thicker" sound?

 

Violectric V200, Audio-Gd SA-31, matrix m-stage... Those are all single ended, though.

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^ I actually prefer balanced though.
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Hi Esprit,

 

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Where in the 3ad I can find the list of the DACs tested by Gary?

TNX :beerchug: 

 

If you just want a list of which DACs were tested by Gary, have a look at the bottom of the very first post in this thread.  

 

But the Lynx Hilo didn't make it.  I think at least one other wasn't tested, as well.  Anybody?

 

Mike


Edited by zilch0md - 1/6/14 at 4:38pm
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If you just want a list of which DACs were tested by Gary, have a look at the bottom of the very first post in this thread.  

 

But the Lynx Hilo didn't make it.  I think at least one other wasn't tested, as well.  Anybody?

 

Mike

The BMC PureDAC wasn't tested as well, which was unfortunate. I think he actually received the 'silent treatment' if I'm not mistaken. Too bad.


Edited by brunk - 1/6/14 at 4:48pm
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The BMC PureDAC wasn't tested as well, which was unfortunate. I think he actually received the 'silent treatment' if I'm not mistaken. Too bad.

Mine arrives tomorrow.
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