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post #61 of 851

This looks really interesting, unfortunately I'm not getting any sound. I have OOYH installed and running, everything looks like it's working except I don't get any audio. When I try music, the channel meters move within OOYH, the correct device is selected and I didn't select OOYH as the default windows device. OOYH has a checkmark next to it and my ODAC has a phone symbol. The OOYH meter in the windows sound menu moves but the ODAC one does not.

 

From the looks of it it doesn't seem to be transferring correctly from the OOYH to the ODAC. Are there any specific microphone settings I need?

 

Music is coming from Spotify.


Edited by Taowolf51 - 11/24/13 at 12:11am
post #62 of 851
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post
 

This looks really interesting, unfortunately I'm not getting any sound. I have OOYH installed and running, everything looks like it's working except I don't get any audio. When I try music, the channel meters move within OOYH, the correct device is selected and I didn't select OOYH as the default windows device. OOYH has a checkmark next to it and my ODAC has a phone symbol. The OOYH meter in the windows sound menu moves but the ODAC one does not.

 

From the looks of it it doesn't seem to be transferring correctly from the OOYH to the ODAC. Are there any specific microphone settings I need?

 

Music is coming from Spotify.

Hi @Taowolf51 ,

 

Unfortunately, we have found that the ODAC is not working with Out Of Your Head currently. @crisnee brought this to our attention and was gracious enough to send his ODAC to me for testing. I can confirm that it does not work for some reason. Many other USB DAC's work well, but there is something about the ODAC that is not working. It's most likely some problem on our end as the ODAC certainly works fine in other applications.I am also in contact with JDS Labs to see if they can assist in debugging the problem. I also just bought an ODAC to send to my programmer for troubleshooting.

 

Hopefully we will figure out the problem soon. I am SO sorry about the problem.

 

In the meantime, if you want to just hear the effect, you can just use the built-in audio of your computer. It's not going to be nearly as good as the ODAC, but you should still hear the localization of the sound outside of your head.

 

I will update everyone here when we figure it out.

 

Thanks,

-Darin

post #63 of 851
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Originally Posted by crisnee View Post
 

I'm curious; how does Isone differ from OOYH, or what does it do to the typical headphone sound, might be a better question. I've heard several people here mention it and am just wondering about it.

 

Chris


Well, according to the OOYH guy Isone is just a "virtual simulation" while OOYH is more like "recordings done with real speaker setups". That being said, the guy behind Isone is a very respectable audio engineer who certainly knows what he's doing as well (would be interesting if he participated to this discussion actually, he used to be active in the Isone thread) and I'm not so sure this is entirely accurate. I mean, the Isone guy used and did measurements with speakers too. 

post #64 of 851
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Originally Posted by kalston View Post
 


Well, according to the OOYH guy Isone is just a "virtual simulation" while OOYH is more like "recordings done with real speaker setups". That being said, the guy behind Isone is a very respectable audio engineer who certainly knows what he's doing as well (would be interesting if he participated to this discussion actually, he used to be active in the Isone thread) and I'm not so sure this is entirely accurate. I mean, the Isone guy used and did measurements with speakers too. 

The thing about Isone is how easy it is to dial in exactly what you want. If you want a bigger soundstage, more width or depth you can adjust it as you wish. Isone also presents a very convincing out of head experience with the ability to conform it to your own ears and head. I use it every day and have made my own presents which allow me to instantly dial in  the best listening experience for each recording. I guess for me it is the ability to customize Isone to my own listening preference that makes it so indispensable. I went through a lot of equipment before I realized I could achieve the results I was seeking using Isone without spending a fortune changing equipment.


Edited by Chodi - 11/24/13 at 4:42pm
post #65 of 851

I switched over to the XDA-2 and everything seems to be working, it sounds very interesting!

 

However, I'm getting some major popping on bass notes with some effects. So far, Home Theater has loud popping on every bass note on the song "I Miss You" by Ta-Ku, and the Jan DIY has less loud popping every so often.

post #66 of 851
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post
 

I switched over to the XDA-2 and everything seems to be working, it sounds very interesting!

 

However, I'm getting some major popping on bass notes with some effects. So far, Home Theater has loud popping on every bass note on the song "I Miss You" by Ta-Ku, and the Jan DIY has less loud popping every so often.

 

You are probably getting some clipping either from your source media player outputting a high level, or the level is too high coming out of Out Of Your Head.

 

In either case, you can try lowering the output level of your media player. Or you can also adjust the input and output levels in the Out Of Your Head control panel. Those levels will be saved for each preset so you don't have to do it every time.

 

Alternately, you can also try changing the output level of your DAC/headphone output.

 

There are a lot of places to adjust levels and it depends on which stage is causing the popping.

post #67 of 851

Seems like the free trial download link is broken; not sure if it mught just be me.

post #68 of 851
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Seems like the free trial download link is broken; not sure if it mught just be me.

I just tested it and it worked.

 

FYI, the download link is tied to your e-mail address. So you need to put in a real e-mail address when "checking out" and then click on the link in the e-mail you receive.

 

The download link also expires, so if you need to re-download the trial, just "purchase" it again from https://fongaudio.com/out-of-your-head-trial-download/

post #69 of 851

I would like to test the software but it seems that the page can't be  loaded at the moment :-(

post #70 of 851
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Originally Posted by musicreo View Post
 

I would like to test the software but it seems that the page can't be  loaded at the moment :-(

I just checked the site and it's loading/working for me. Anyone else having problems? I also checked it with this site: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/fongaudio.com

post #71 of 851
Thread Starter 

Works fine for me at the moment. 

post #72 of 851

It also works for me now. I have just done little testing.

First Comments:

The volume output is very low. I have to put up the volume   in my Equalizer to +9db to get normal loudness.

I tested different settings with  the dolby 5.1/7.1 surround file  (that one that  you used for your demo dowloads on the website). When i used the egyptian theater setting         the           output for LS/LB seem to be much to quiet compared to the RS/RB speakers.

 

More impressions when I have time to do further testing.

post #73 of 851

Hi, 

 

I'm a big fan of OOYH, but the overall low volume level and the volume level inconsistencies over presets are the biggest issue for me too. I'm boosting 15dbs right now to get to normal levels on my system. I think if the presets could be normalized, not absolutely but for perceived levels, that would be great. 

 

If I can chime in on the earlier Isone comparisons: Isone uses algorithms to create psychoacoustic effects of distance, width, soundstage space, etc. It can be effective, but it will always be artificial, because it is. The software is synthesizing manipulations of the perceived sound field.

 

OOYH works from a different principle entirely. Like the Smyth Realiser, it uses "impulse response" technology. An "impulse" spike is "shot" through a real speaker array, in a real room, and then the difference between the source and the live signal is measured. This "response" is then used to process your music to reduplicate what would happen if you were to play the track with that original sound system in that original room. Genius, I think!

 

It is not artificial; it is virtual. This is is true speaker virtualization. 

 

This tech can leverage any competent headphone playback system to punch way above its class. When you play back music on your, let's say, $300 average headphones, you are playing back several 100K of recording equipment (amps, consoles, processing gear, etc.). What was always missing was that you could also play back 100Ks of recording equipment--and--100Ks of playback equipment. OOYH, for the first time in affordable software, allows you to do this. It's a game-changer. 

 

Note: I am in no way affiliated with Darin or OOYH, and paid for all my licenses. I'm just, as I said, a big fan, and can't wait to see how this is going to develop. 

 

All the best.

 

Edwardsean 


Edited by edwardsean - 12/18/13 at 2:29pm
post #74 of 851

So glad I found this thread randomly.  Very cool stuff and very remniscent of the Realiser that I have heard a couple of times.  It is a little steep for me right now to purchase, but I wanted to give a big thumbs up to Darin for creating this software.

post #75 of 851

Thanks for the review @edwardsean and thanks for the feedback @musicreo.

 

Yes, I agree that the levels are low. I used to have them set higher, but beta testers reported getting clipping during loud passages and especially during loud action movies, so I lowered the levels. I will have to do some more experimentation to find how high I can adjust the levels and still avoid clipping. 

 

I suppose, if people are getting clipping, they can lower the levels in the Out Of Your Head control panel, but I didn't want people to hear clipping "right out of the box" so I lowered the levels to be safe.

 

Just to make sure though, there are many places in Windows to adjust the levels. However, it's pretty easy to check to see if it's just Out Of Your Head that is low. If you quit Out Of Your Head and you get good levels, then you're various Windows and media player levels are probably fine. Then once you run Out Of Your Head, yes, the levels will drop, but they shouldn't drop as far as 9dB. I find that for sensitive IEM's on my HRT MicroStreamer, I have to keep the Windows playback level to about 25% for normal listening levels even WITH Out Of Your Head running. However, with my HD800's on the microStreamer, then I have to crank up the levels. Of course if you are using a headphone amp with an actual volume control, then you should have plenty of level on the amp. But for small USB DACs that are using Windows for volume and USB power, then I can see that you might have to have the levels set to max.

 

As far as equalizing the levels between presets, I do need to go through them and adjust them, but due to the nature of how the preset levels are set, I can't do it in real-time. I have to set a level. Run a batch script to create the preset file. And then load it and listen. If I need to adjust again, I have to repeat the whole process. It's not impossible, just tricky to do.

 

Alternately, you can also adjust the levels down in the Out Of Your Head control panel and those levels are saved. So everytime you go to that preset, the levels you had set will stay persistent. This is a good way to fine-tune the level matching for your ears and amp between presets.

 

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When i used the egyptian theater setting the output for LS/LB seem to be much to quiet compared to the RS/RB speakers.

Sometimes the channel imbalances can be due to the shape of your ears compared to the shape of the ears of the person's ears that were used to make the measurements. Unfortunately, without doing a custom measurement with your own ears, some people will experience differences like channel levels, speaker positioning, frequency response, etc. I knew this going in to this project that some presets will not be perfect. But, I continue to add to my library of measurements and not just with my ears but with other people's ears. As the library of presets expands, hopefully people will be able to find presets that work better for their ears. 

 

On some rooms, like the Acoustic Zen room, I have measurements done there with about 5 or 6 different people. I plan to create separate presets for the same room but with different people's ears. This way you can try each one and hopefully one will work well for you.

 

For the most discriminating users, I would invite them to come to Southern California and have a measurement done with their ears. I know this can be an expensive route to go or impossible for most people, but it still can be a lot cheaper than buying a Realiser. People fly to meets, shows, etc. just to hear gear, so maybe it's not out of the question for the "summit-fi" people.

 

But for channel levels, you can experiment with adjusting the levels of each of the channels in Out Of Your Head to suit your ears.

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