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post #601 of 4278
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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post

Well, with my proposal, there will be 2 versions: a " M " version at $999 and a " M+ " version with much higher capacity at $ 1500 for example.  You choose ....

mate, you can always pay ak240, no need asking Calyx for absurd price tongue.gif
post #602 of 4278
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post


I would prefer Calyx does not listen to you and would keep the price of M to 999$.

want more storage? easy, buy more memory cards, swapping cards is not rocket science. tongue.gif

also it's not like they will never touch a computer again that they need terabytes of storage for their music.

post #603 of 4278
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Originally Posted by Gorillaz View Post
 

also it's not like they will never touch a computer again that they need terabytes of storage for their music.

 

Yes, but there is still a need for more than the current spec, at least. I think you underestimate how much space .dsd and other Hi-Res files really consume.

 

I don't personally wish to see a $1500 Calyx, but I DO wish to see a fullsize, rather than micro SD slot, as that would provide a good compromise to substantially expanding the memory of this DAP without needing to regularly swap cards, and without increasing the cost of the DAP itself.

post #604 of 4278
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

 

Yes, but there is still a need for more than the current spec, at least. I think you underestimate how much space .dsd and other Hi-Res files really consume.

 

I don't personally wish to see a $1500 Calyx, but I DO wish to see a fullsize, rather than micro SD slot, as that would provide a good compromise to substantially expanding the memory of this DAP without needing to regularly swap cards, and without increasing the cost of the DAP itself.

Agreed... a much better solution than increasing it's price for more on board memory.

 

As a general principle how much better do hi rez files sound than redbook ones anyway ? Is the extra space required to store them worth the SQ increase. Is there a real and noticeable improvement ?

 

This is a genuine question as so far i haven't bothered with hi rez so wondering if buying a hi rez capable DAP is worth it. 

 

Actually to put it another way... if i am not using hi rez but redbook wav files is it worth buying a hi rez capable player like the Calyx M ? I guess that's just a matter of waiting for reviews and comparisons vs other DAPs using redbook files.


Edited by Sauntere - 2/1/14 at 6:39pm
post #605 of 4278

For a moment, I thought 1000usd for a DAP is already very expensive... you guys are now asking for a more expensive model.... :basshead:

You can always buy two Calyx M, one for highres, one for redbook (put a red sticker on the back)...:beerchug:

post #606 of 4278
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Originally Posted by Sauntere View Post
 

Agreed... a much better solution than increasing it's price for more on board memory.

 

As a general principle how much better do hi rez files sound than regular ones anyway ? Is the extra space required to store them worth the SQ increase. Is there a real and noticable improvement ?

 

This is a genuine question as so far i haven't bothered with hi rez so wondering if buying a hi rez capable DAP is worth it. 

 

This is a legitimate question which (unsurprisingly) comes up fairly frequently, but because it has a frequent tendency to derail threads, it is best discussed in the 'Sound Science' part of the forum (so much so, that mods will delete attempts to discuss it in equipment threads).

 

In specific relation to the Calyx-M DAP, the point is that it has been engineered to handle the very highest-res files, and much fanfare is being made about this, by Calyx themselves, so it is reasonable and legitimate to 'demand' (I'm using the term respectfully) that Calyx provide more-substantial storage options to cater for whatever large hi-res files a customer wishes to play on it. This ability should certainly not be limited to those using the DAP as a USB DAC, from a notebook. The whole point is that the Calyx-M is seeking to push forward the boundaries of what SQ can be achieved from a pocket device, used in a pocket. Consequently, the Calyx-M downright deserves better storage than thus-far specified. If increased onboard capacity is felt by the engineering team to not be viable, for whatever reason, then a fullsize SD slot would at least help customers to lessen the problem, given the substantial difference in availability and pricing of higher capacity fullsize cards, vs their microSD counterparts. It's not asking Calyx for the moon.

 

If you read this entire thread, you'll find quite a number of potential customers expressing concern & disappointment about the current 64gb onboard + microSD card expansion specification, just one, of many, examples being AmberOzL:

 

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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post
 

For the moment I can't find a single flaw of this player except the capacity. It doesn't make sense Calyx. You provide dsd support and you give small capacity. Those dsd's and other high res files takes huge space.

post #607 of 4278
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post
 

For a moment, I thought 1000usd for a DAP is already very expensive... you guys are now asking for a more expensive model.... :basshead:

You can always buy two Calyx M, one for highres, one for redbook (put a red sticker on the back)...:beerchug:

 

 

No; only one person is asking for a more expensive model (not me) :wink_face:

post #608 of 4278

This looks to be a really beautifully-engineered DAP; a real class-act. I hope Calyx will go that final furlong and make a bit of extra effort to make this DAP fulfill its potential, rather than letting it fall short of that.

 

It's really impressive that they have agreed to add [REW] [FFW] buttons, so we know they are listening and trying to make their DAP as successful as possible.

 

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they listen about the memory options, too...

 

If they do listen, then this DAP may sell like hot cakes!

 

post #609 of 4278

Yeah, the only way I can see a justifiable significant price jump is if the on-board memory is increased.  Adding full-size SD slot &/or a 2nd card slot doesn't justify an assumed $500USD price jump, in my humble opinion.  With all that said, I'd be willing to pony-up extra cash if 256GB on-board + external card (SD or microSD) was available.  Is battery life affected by reading SD/microSD cards vs. internal memory?

post #610 of 4278
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

 

This is a legitimate question which (unsurprisingly) comes up fairly frequently, but because it has a frequent tendency to derail threads, it is best discussed in the 'Sound Science' part of the forum (so much so, that mods will delete attempts to discuss it in equipment threads).

 

In specific relation to the Calyx-M DAP, the point is that it has been engineered to handle the very highest-res files, and much fanfare is being made about this, by Calyx themselves, so it is reasonable and legitimate to 'demand' (I'm using the term respectfully) that Calyx provide more-substantial storage options to cater for whatever large hi-res files a customer wishes to play on it. This ability should certainly not be limited to those using the DAP as a USB DAC, from a notebook. The whole point is that the Calyx-M is seeking to push forward the boundaries of what SQ can be achieved from a pocket device, used in a pocket. Consequently, the Calyx-M downright deserves better storage than thus-far specified. If increased onboard capacity is felt by the engineering team to not be viable, for whatever reason, then a fullsize SD slot would at least help customers to lessen the problem, given the substantial difference in availability and pricing of higher capacity fullsize cards, vs their microSD counterparts. It's not asking Calyx for the moon.

 

If you read this entire thread, you'll find quite a number of potential customers expressing concern & disappointment about the current 64gb onboard + microSD card expansion specification, just one, of many, examples being AmberOzL:

 

Thanks for responding... Yeah i realize very well that more storage would be better regardless of whether hi rez files are being used or not. As to my question re sound fidelity and hi rez, i will take it elsewhere. 

 

Thanks

 

On another note i am a sucker for beautifully designed products and this does look beautiful. Better than anything else on the market i think. 

post #611 of 4278
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Originally Posted by Sauntere View Post
 

Thanks for responding... Yeah i realize very well that more storage would be better regardless of whether hi rez files are being used or not. As to my question re sound fidelity and hi rez, i will take it elsewhere. 

 

Thanks

 

On another note i am a sucker for beautifully designed products and this does look beautiful. Better than anything else on the market i think. 

 

Sorry I didn't answer your question directly, but I am bound my the rules of the forum :(

 

Sony NW-ZX1 is beautifully made, too, but it loses ground, spec-wise, to the Calyx-M, doesn't it?

 

I have to agree that the Calyx-M is the best-looking high-spec DAP on the scene at the moment.

post #612 of 4278
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

 

 

"...out of line" -   that's putting it a bit strongly, don't you think?


 

Thanks.

 

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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

We all realise that altering the microSD socket to fullsize SD will require alteration of the circuit board design so as to make room for the larger socket, and that's not easy when you have such a densely-populated circuit board for a complex high-end device like this. But that really doesn't seem any more major than adding 2 [REW] [FFW] buttons to the circuitboard, which were, previously, non-existent. Also, please remember that this suggestion has only been made following seeming refusal to increase the onboard memory capacity (perhaps Calyx already purchased the 64gb chips). Or maybe Calyx will give us a nice surprise and secretly increase the onboard memory capacity. But one thing is apparent, and that's that many potential customers of the Calyx-M may be dissuaded from buying one, if Calyx do nothing to increase the memory capacity or at least increase the physical format size of the card.

 

These changes (addition of [REW] [FFW] buttons, and, hopefully, altering the card slot to fullsize SD) may make a dramatic difference to both the usability of the DAP and to the number of sales the Calyx-M achieves. Provided the Calyx team feel able to accommodate the changes, both they, and their customers, stand to benefit considerably, so it's 'win-win', once the initial hurdle has been overcome, even if that pre-release hurdle may indeed be hard-going for the team.


 

Yes. Well said.

post #613 of 4278

Well I suppose in the name f making this player really viable at what it wants fine. However I still think asking them to go through more changes that affect the circuit board engineering itself at this point is pushing it regardless of how awesome it would be. (A necessity, yes considering what their pushing)

 

I guess though if their willing to go that far, even if it means delaying launch it would be nice. More on board storage would be a dream. It would also be much needed help to push the standards of built in storage, which is way behind (probably why the coveted 128 gig microSD card is still a no show)

post #614 of 4278

Just having a quick look at viable cases for the Calyx-M.

 

Given its use of a smartphone touchscreen, it's obviously the same size as some smartphones, but it's considerable thickness sets it apart from the majority of phones. The closest I've found are at the following links:

 

 

http://www.gsmarc.com/model-finder/dimensions/132x69x13-mm/

 

 

 

...the Calyx-M is:

 

134.60 X 69.16 x 12.50 mm

 

 

So finding a case that fits precisely, and allows full accessibility to controls (and maybe the touchscreen, too) is not very easy, but finding a case that just protects it, is simple enough:

 

http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=78011

 

 

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/Davidison-Genuine-Leather-Horizontal-Majesty/dp/B00GCH2Y4A/ref=sr_1_9?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1391318952&sr=1-9&keywords=zte+source+leather+case

 

This HTC slipcase would protect it, but not much good for touchscreen or button usage:

 

http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/htc-slip-pouch-case-for-htc-desire-601-one-x-and-xl-p34629.htm

 

 

 

 

I suppose a neoprene case might be nice, but I don't know how warm this DAP gets, and neoprene is rather insulative.

 

 

What we really need, though, is a case that allows proper access to the controls, otherwise it'll be just like the overpriced boutique leather case for the Sony NW-ZX1...

 

 

Will Calyx produce a purpose-made case for their DAP? I doubt it, but only time will tell!

 

 

UPDATE: As of March 2014, Calyx have just asked, on their facebook page, if customers are interested in them commissioning a leather case for the M.

 

 



Edited by Mython - 3/14/14 at 1:34pm
post #615 of 4278
The Calyx M is not even out yet and you want to buy a case? Ha ha...
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